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UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY RIVERFRONT SUPERFUND SITE
OPERABLE UNITS 2 AND 6 NEW HAVEN, MISSOURI
TRANSCRIPT OF
PUBLIC HEARING
August 10, 2010 9:00 A.M.
TRINITY LUTHERAN CHURCH 9521 HIGHWAY 100
NEW HAVEN, MISSOURI 63068
Patsy A. Hertweck, C. C. R.
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UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
RIVERFRONT SUPERFUND SITE
OPERABLE UNITS 2 AND 6
NEW HAVEN, MISSOURI
TRANSCRIPT OF PUBLIC HEARING
AUGUST 10, 2010
HELD AT THE
TRINITY LUTHERAN CHURCH
9521 HIGHWAY 100
NEW HAVEN, MISSOURI 63 068
Reported By:
Patsy A. Hertweck, C. C. R.
Midwest Litigation Services
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Public Hearing
I N D E X
PROCEEDINGS
INTRODUCTION
PRESENTATION BY MR. FIELD
PUBLIC COMMENTS
Residents:
Mr. Keith Strobel
Mr. Bernard Laune
Mr. Kent Vedder
Ms. Ann Holt
Mr. Tom Duvall
Ms. Patricia Stover
Ms. Beleda Pierce
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A P P E A R A N C E S
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY:
Mr. DeAndre Singletary, Branch Chief
Mr. Jeff Field, Remedial Program Manager
David A. Hoefer, Attorney
Mr. Dianna Whitaker, Public Affairs Coordinator
OTHERS
MDNR:
Mr. Evan Kifer
USGS:
Mr. John Schumacher
REPRESENTATIVE LUTKEMEYER'S OFFICE:
Mr. Dan Engemann
BLACK & VEATCH ENGINEERING:
Mr. Rob Blake
KELLWOOD COMPANY AND PARSON:
Mr. Steve Poplawski
Mr. Lee Gorday
MISSOURI RURAL WATER ASSOCIATION:
Mr. J im Balmer
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P R O C E E D I N G S
(August 10, 2010)
MR. FIELD: Good evening, everyone. My
name is Jeff Field. I'm the remedial project manager for
the Riverfront Site for the EPA, and the purpose of
tonight's meeting is to talk about and to present to the
citizenry here the proposed plan showing our, or EPA's,
preferred alternative to for dealing with the situation on
0U2 and 0U6.
Before I get started, we have John
Schumacher from USGS, Rob Blake from Black and Veatch, Evan
Kifer with MDNR. We have a representative from
Representative Lutkemeyer's office, Mr. Dan Engemann is
here.
Along with those lines, I'd like to go ahead
and set some basic ground rules. We have the court
reporter here to take the minutes of the --of the meeting
here.
If you have a comment or a question during
the discussion period, if you'd stand up, state your name,
spell your name for her, she can get all this down without
any errors. And what I would like to do is, during the
course of the presentation and subsequent questions or
comments, you need to stick or I'd like to stick to t:he 0U2
and OUS areas.
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Then once we get finished with all the
comments and questions related to 0U2 and 0U6, we'll be
happy to field other questions. Okay. All right.
So what I'm going to do is I'm just going to
go through a presentation that I put together basically
outlining the process that we go through for a Superfund
site up to this point in time. And I'm going to go through
some of the data that was collected during the remedial
investigation, talk about some of the alternatives or all
of the alternatives that are in the feasibility study, and
briefly discuss the EPA's preferred alternative at this
time.
A couple of people here, the new branch
chief -- I think the last time I was here my branch chief
was Diane Easley. My new branch chief is DeAndre
Singletary. David Hoefer is our site attorney, and Dianna
Whitaker, who's up front taking everybody's name. These
are all team members, and they're faces I'm sure you're
familiar with.
Just a basic background on the Superfund
process all the way from discovery. And discovery in this
case of Riverfront was mid 1980s. I think it was '86 in
which PCE was discovered in some of the public wells. And
for this particular 0U2 and 0U6, we're at the proposed plan
stage. And with that proposed stage we discussed the
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preferred alternative, and we opened the public comment
period, which has now been extended to, I believe, the
first week of November. So we've extended that.
MR. KEIFER: October 4th.
MR. FIELD: October 4th. Thank you. So
there's an extended period of time for everybody to read
over the proposed plan. The administrative record at the
library now has the remedial investigation, the feasibility
study, copies of the proposed plan, and other information
related to 0U2 and 0U6. So feel free to go down there and
peruse those.
Operable 2, Operative Unit 2, is bigger than
this, but this is the area that's north of the former
Kellwood facility, and I'll be referring to that area as
the Landfarm area. The reason it's called the Landfarm
area is that MNDR many years ago conducted a remedial
action or removal action of which they land farmed some of
the contaminated soils at that site. So instead of
referring to it as the vacant lot or as the plot of land
north of the facility, I'll be referring to it as the
landfarm area.
This is a basic outline of Operable Unit 2
that's shown up in a lot of the previous investigations,
make up Boeuf Lutheran Road down to the south along Highway
C. That's the area that we kind of call Wildcat Creek
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Estates, that's where the majority of the residents reside.
That's what I'll be referring to 0U6 as.
Just a little site investigation history. I
mentioned the discovery back in 1986, and in 2000, we
listed it on the NPL. We've selected a remedy that
presented a remedy for OUl on Front Street. We have a
remedial action in place at 0U3, 0U5 and 0U4, Last year we
implemented a remedy with a ROD that is now currently going
through remedial design. So we're designing that remedy
now. And so this 0U2 and 0U6 is to be the last operable
unit for Riverfront that will be implemented remedy of.
Remedial investigation is broken into five
separate tasks, and the first task was soil investigation.
You can see the goal of the soil investigation was to
characterize the extent and magnitude of VOCs in the soil
and in the immediate vicinity of the former Kellwood
facility from the landfarm area. And they set up a -- this
was all through an approved work plan they submitted to us
for review. MDNR reviewed it and approved it, and they've
been conducting the work since then.
Forty-two soil borings were installed as
part of this task. I'll be going over the results as we go
through this.
Task 2 was the groundwater investigation.
Again, the intent of the investigation was to define the
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vertical extent and characterize the horizontal and
vertical extent and magnitude of VOCs in groundwater.
this particular area of Missouri is --
contains a lot of fractured bedrock, a lot of faulting. It
makes it very complex in dealing with the contaminants. So
the groundwater investigation focused on how these affected
the distribution and migration of VOCs in the subsurface.
There were seven sub-tasks associated with
that. 2a was an interval screening at JS-14 and JS-36.
JS-14 and JS-36 are on the far western end of Boeuf
Lutheran Road, which is Riese and Duvall Wells. It was
critical to do a screening study at these wells because we
had to know why there was PCE showing up in those wells and
how it got in there. So there was a lot work done there.
That was submitted by Parsons in a single report, and is
part of the ROD,
The direct-push sampling was for soil
sampling and for sampling done down Industrial Drive Road
sampling down -- soils down the middle of the road looking
for PCE contamination.
The residential well sampling is
self-explanatory. There have been a number of samplings in
all residential wells have been sampled over the course of
the remedial investigation.
And fourth, monitoring well installation and
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sampling. Sites right now we're sampling which included
residential and monitoring sampling, the aquifer testing,
which is a critical test that was done at City Well 3. I
believe 4 was testing the connectivity between different
formations and see how the draw-down in those wells
affected the other wells in the area that they were able to
put in some monitoring wells.
And the last surveying which they surveyed
all, entering all the monitoring wells into a data base.
Task 3 is a critical task, and that was a
dense non-aqueous phase liquid investigation. And this
basically is pure PCE that still exists in the subsurface
of landfarm herein, such as the fractured bedrock.
It consisted of coring holes in the upper
portion of the bedrock basically where the PCE was supposed
to have occurred in the grid system, and a total of 22 core
holes were drilled. This is a very, very intensive, very
important part of the investigation.
Task 4, sediment and surface water
investigation. Based on earlier investigation from USGS
there were detections of PCE coming out of outcrops and
some of the creek south of 0U2.
Sediment samples were taken, and surface
water samples were also taken. You can see the
constituents that were selected for analysis. Those are
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all included in the RI,
Sewer sampling was also conducted, both
north of Highway 100 and south of Highway 100, based on
some earlier detections of PCE on sewer lines I believe
John had detected in some of his investigation. That was
carried over into this remedial investigation, and was done
mostly to find -- see if we could find any PCE near the
former Kellwood facility that might have moved off-site
through the sewers,
Soil vapor sampling was done in groundwater.
The sample from a little bit east of the school, high
school, there was a well to be put in place there to define
the western boundary, A sample came up with PCE detection.
With that detection, we got with Kellwood and Parsons and
did a more thorough soil vapor sampling around the school
to make sure there was no impact to the school.
And then we moved that well further west to
define the clean line. The reason all these things were
done, again, is to find a define the nature and extent of
the contamination.
The chemicals of concern here are
tetrachlorethylene, which is PCE, trichlorethylene which is
TCE, and 1, 2 dichlorethylene and vinyl chloride. And
these, the distribution that's going to occur is in the
order that I showed you in the remedial investigation.
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Distribution of COCs in soils. With all the
sampling done by EPA with USGS and Parsons, all the soil
sampling indicates that the extent of PCE and TCE is
limited to the landfarm area. There's a little bit down
here, probably another down Industrial Drive underneath the
road and underneath the facility itself, and an open lot
northwest of the former facility, which is over here. This
is an area behind the mill. That's defined as A3. There's
Al down the road. That's for soils.
Distribution of DNAPL was detected in five
core holes. Remember we did have 22 put in, and detecting
two core holes outside the northwest portion of the former
Kellwood facility and the landfarm area. It was detected
at depths ranging from 4 to 22 feet below ground surface,
and this is the only area in both operable units where we
could find DNAPL.
The other PCEs are in dissolved phase that's
moved off-site.
PCE, TCE and 1, 2-DCE have been detected in
the four laterally transmissive zones. And I referred to
earlier the structure, the subsurface and the fractured
bedrock has been a very complex and defining the flow paths
or possible flow path for PCE and the other constituents as
what we found is that there are four laterally transmissive
zones going down to the subsurface.
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The unconsolidated deposits above the
bedrock, some people refer to an overburden, the upper
sandstone marker bed of the Cotter Dolomite, and we've used
that sandstone marker bed throughout 0U2 and 0U6. As it's
cored down and wells are installed, we always look for that
marker bed.
The Swan Creek Sandstone was another
important part of the -- this particular bed we always look
for in the Cotter Dolomite, and then the lower Jefferson
City Dolomite and the Roubidoux Formation,
Those are the lower formations in which
wells themselves have been affected.
PCE, we believe remain in those upper
residential zones and slowly got down to a conduit in well
construction down into the deeper formations.
Distribution of COCs in sanitary sewer and
adjacent soils. They sampled. If you look at the RI, they
did extensive sampling around the sewer. The good thing
here was there were no detections of COCs in sewer sediment
and soil sampling of sewers north of Highway 100. They did
a lot of -- they ran a camera through the soils looking for
defects in the pipe. The defects were thought to maybe be
avenues for exfiltration. That's where they did the soil
sampling thinking that that's maybe where PCE has exited
the pipe. All that data was collected and shown.
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Distribution of COCs in surface water and
sediments, There was some PCE detected in surface water
coming out of the formations into some of the streams along
600 tributary in the Wildcat Creek Estates area. All this
data was rolled into an eco -- ecological risk assessment,
not just a baseline health risk assessment.
It was also detected at low levels at Boeuf
Lutheran Road crossing of the 500 tributary that was below
screening criteria, and PCE was detected at concentration
below the screening level in one sample, and no other
sediment samples contained PCE,
Distribution of COCs in soil vapor samples
were not detected with the exception of one at 200
micrograms per cubic meter in SVI-5, This concentration is
below tier 1 risk-based levels. We ran that by our
internal risk assessors as to the level of concern. All
that information that was gathered through those tests and
remedial investigation were put into the risk assessment
machine, if you will, to define possible risks.
And the way the risk assessment works it
evaluates exposures to carcinogenic and non-carcinogenic
contaminants. This was completed June 2010, and this is
the range that we look at. The EPA considers a risk
unacceptable when the total excess lifetime cancer risk for
a reasonable maximum exposure exceeds 1 in 10,000, Total
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excess lifetime cancer risk below 1 to the 10 minus 6, or
one in a million, are considered acceptable with a 10 to
the minus 4 to 10 minus 6 is the range that we look at for
risk management decisions.
The non-carcinogenic in human risks may
exist when the total hazardous index, or HI, exceeds 1, So
you have a cancer risk number, and you have an HI number.
The conclusions of the health risk
assessment which drives the implementation of a remedy is:
one, total cancer risk and the total health index excess
target ranges for potential for residents in 0U2, Now you
remember 0U2 is commercial/industrial. The risk assessors
run a different scenario for different target risks, and
the future resident scenario was one.
So there would be a cancer risk, and it
would exceed target ranges through incidental ingestion,
inhalation via contact with any type of soils, inhalation
of indoor air, volatizing from soil or groundwater, and
ingestion of groundwater from future drinking water wells.
Again, this area is zoned for commercial and
residential. So the scenario was run, but it is not a
residential and it won't be a residential if the zoning
doesn't change or environmental covenants are put in place
other activity or use limitations.
Total cancer risk and total health hazard
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index exceed target ranges for industrial workers through
inhalation of indoor air in the area where DNAPL is present
at the former Kellwood facility. Pure product is going to
be hazardous,
The total cancer risk and hazard index
exceed the target ranges for residents in 0U6 using
groundwater as a tap water prior to any treatment, So
prior to any water treatment using any carbon unit that
will be put in place, the risk exists. So those units can
mitigate any risk.
The risk is primarily driven from ingestion
of PCE in deep groundwater. Thus, treatment must be
maintained at these homes.
The total cancer risk is within the target
range for residents living near the former Kellwood
facility via inhalation of indoor air volatizing from
groundwater and the total hazard index is below target
levels,
Again, there's nobody living near those --
the former Kellwood facility that would have a problem with
the indoor air. But again, it's a scenario that the risk
assessors run.
The results of the comparisons of the soil
gas samples collected near the high school, again, there
was only one detection of PCE, It did exceed the EPA
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residential air screening level, and is below the EPA
industrial screening level and all Missouri target levels
for both residential and non-residential use.
Okay, This is -- this is important. Given
that the exposure assumptions for a teacher, administrator,
janitorial scenario would be similar to an industrial
worker scenario, A residential level does not apply. It
applies it to our -- a -- doesn't apply to the residential
screening, which is a total different set of criteria.
From remedial investigation, all the data
that's again compiled and put into risk assessment. The
next step is the development of the feasibility study, and
the development of the feasibility study. Alternatives are
looked at that provide technologies that deal with the
contaminated whether soil, groundwater, air, what have you.
And all those technologies and alternatives are packaged
together, and they're evaluated by nine criteria that are
established in the Code of Federal Regulations that we
adhere to.
Part of those nine criteria are threshold
criteria. And the first one here is overall protection of
human health and the environment. When we look at the
alternatives, the alternatives are screened to see whether
an alternative would achieve adequate protection and how
sit risks would be eliminated, reduced, or controlled
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through treatment, engineering, or institutional controls.
Okay. They'll all -- all those alternatives
are screened by outlined criteria.
The next one is compliance with applicable
or relevant and appropriate requirements, whether an
alternative would meet all federal and state ARARs for the
site.
What an ARAR is, for example, would be the
groundwater in ARAR would be EPA MCL the maximum
contaminant level, which is 5. Missouri has water quality
standard numbers. That would be an MCL or an ARAR. If it
was an air issue, there are air numbers. So things like
that are ARARs, and all alternatives are screened to make
sure they meet ARARs.
If they can't meet ARARs, a waiver would
have to be given. We don't have that situation here. All
of except for the no-action, all achieve ARAR,
Next is the balancing criteria. All
alternatives are analyzed for long-term effectiveness and
permanence. One, by assessing the magnitude of the
residual risk remaining from untreated waste or treatment
residual remaining at the conclusion of remedial
activities,
In other words, when we implement a remedy
and at the end of those times where we think that all
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samplings has been done, it should be below the levels to
where we're comfortable saying our remedy has been
successful; and two, by assessing the adequacy and
reliability of controls such as containment systems and
institutional controls that are necessary to manage
treatment residuals and untreated waste.
If the situation arises where say, for
example, some of the DNAPL on the landfarm area can be
recovered from the fractured bedrock where it can't be
taken out of the soil, And we have taken another step by
instituting maybe activity or use limitations on that
particular plot of land where you couldn't dig, you
couldn't hold public events, anything to reduce potential
risk.
Another of the balancing criteria is that
each of the alternatives must have reduction of toxicity,
mobility, or volume through treatment, which assesses the
degree to size media, soil, groundwater, air, will be
treated to permanently and significantly reduce toxicity,
mobility or volume of site contaminants.
So when all those alternatives for the
preferred plan are looked at with chem ox, thermally
enhanced vapor extraction, they have to meet this
requirement. They have to reduce the volume, the mobility,
the toxicity of all those contaminants. And we believe the
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preferred or the alternative we selected does those.
Now, the balancing criteria or the
short-term effectiveness which has to do with when the
implementation of the remedy will occur, whether there is a
risk associated or to risk associated with nearby residents
or workers.
Implementability is how easy or how
difficult it is for a remedy to be implemented. For
example, the thermally enhanced vapor extraction system
would require an immense amount of electrical power brought
into Operable Unit 2 to run those heaters. Okay. That's
not easily implementable as injecting chem ox into the
ground or pumping or bailing DNAPL out of the hole. So the
implementability is always looked at.
Again, last is cost. The two important ones
that have a lot of weight to them is state acceptance and
community acceptance of the preferred alternative. Okay.
That's where the public comment period comes in for
community acceptance.
These are -- these are the alternatives that
were provided in the feasibility study.
Alternative 1 was a no action. That's
required by the NCP, and that is nothing occurs at the
site. Okay. That's done to use as a baseline for all the
other alternatives to compare it to.
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Alternative 2a is DNAPL recovery of the
DNAPL landfarm area followed by in situ chemical oxidation,
whole-house treatment units, institutional controls and
groundwater monitoring.
Alternative 2d, which should be 2b, add
alternate water supply to 2a.
Alternative 2c is DNAPL recovery followed by
in situ chemical oxidation, whole-house treatment,
institutional controls, in situ groundwater remediation,
and groundwater monitoring.
Alternative 2d add alternate water component
to 2c,
Alternative 3a is thermal treatment of
DNAPL, whole-house treatment units, institutional controls,
groundwater monitoring,
3b adds the alternate water supply
component,
Alternative 4a is thermal treatment DNAPL
and soil Area 3 which is underneath the facility,
whole-house treatment units, institutional controls, and
groundwater monitoring,
4b adds bioremediation for groundwater.
4c adds in situ chemical oxidation of
groundwater,
4d is different. It adds chemical reduction
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of ground water.
Alternative 5 in situ chemical oxidation of
the DNAPL area. Area A-3, and ground water, whole-house
treatment units, institutional controls, and groundwater
monitoring.
Alternative 6 is the last one I believe, in
situ chemical reduction as opposed to the oxidation in 5,
DNAPL area. Area A-3, groundwater, whole-house treatment
units, institutional controls, and groundwater monitoring.
EPA looked at all these and marked these
alternatives, and our preferred alternative for dealing
with 0U2 and 0U6 was Alternative 2c, which consists of
DNAPL recovery which would continue in existing wells and
the landfarm area,
In addition, DNAPL recovery wells would be
installed in the north and the west or the north end of the
Kellwood facility, former Kellwood facility. The use of
these wells for continued DNAPL recovery would continue
until recovery becomes impracticable.
In other words, there's going to be a point
in time where the recovery methods are no longer -- I guess
we would come to a point of diminishing return. It's no
longer practicable cost-wise or time-wise to extract any
more. We can't extract any more. We've got the primary
amount that we can expect from the bedrock, and after that
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-- after the DNAPL recovery efforts have been exhausted,
the recovery wells may be utilized for in situ chemical
oxidation treatment of the residual contamination within
the bedrock on the landfarm area.
The existing wells and the additional wells
put in place will be used as conduits to put the chemical
oxidation material, subsurface, get into those fractures in
the bedrock, get into the bedrock, diffuse through and
interact with the remaining PCE.
The chemical oxidation treatment will be
repeated periodically as needed in the landfarm area until
nearby and downgradient monitoring wells indicate that COC
levels have reached the RAOs objectives, and those are
levels that will be established in the remedial design, or
monitoring indicates that further treatment will not
continue to effectively reduce the concentrations of COC,
Again, that's a possibility at the point of
diminishing return.
Monitoring wells will be installed in the
vicinity of the treatment area to evaluate the
effectiveness of the treatment. Whole-house water
treatment units will be provided and maintained for
residences with contaminated groundwater with a COC above
the MCL.
One of the reasons that that's in place was
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that component was a major component of an administrative
order or consent that we did will Kellwood to provide
whole-house treatment systems for residences that were
affected by PCE. That component needs to be carried over
into the remedial action. So that won't stop.
Institutional controls will consist of the
well construction restrictions as described in 10 CSR,
which is a special Area 3 designation which the Missouri
legislature passed.
How many years ago was that? A few years
ago?
MR. KEIFER: I want to say 2006.
MR. FIELD: Which required additional
well construction requirements on any wells within that
special area designation.
And of course, groundwater monitoring will
be conducted to monitor the changes in the concentration of
COCs over time. This includes the monitoring of
residential wells.
Analysis of alternatives. Again,
requirements were required under CERCLA and the National
Contingency Plan for remedial actions that must be
addressed in the ROD, which is the next step after the
proposed plan and the public comment period supported by
the FS report are listed below.
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Remedial actions must: be protective of
human health and the environment; attain ARARs, or provide
grounds for invoking a waiver; be cost-effective; utilize
permanent solutions and alternate treatment technology or
resource recovery technologies to the maximum extent
practicable; and satisfies the preference for treatment
that reduces toxicity, mobility, or volume as a principal
threat a principal element or provide an explanation in the
ROD as to why it does not.
The DNAPL is classified as a principal
threat. As a principal threat, DNAPL has to be addressed
by and satisfy the treatment. The DNAPL is toxic, mobile;
therefore, it is classified as a principal threat, and has
to be addressed for treated.
We believe Alternative C is compliant with
--it does fall under all the nine criteria. Being the
last two are still in question.
MDNR at this time is still reviewing all the
information regarding the RI and FS. We haven't got a
concurrence letter on that. We hope to have one soon.
MR, KEIFER: We've recommended -- staff
has recommended concurrence, but we're still in the
process.
MR, FIELD: Okay, Great, That, of
course, is community acceptable. That is opportunities
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that we're providing to you to look at and review and to
provide comment on.
The decision will follow and review of
public comments. All public comments that are received
will be put into the Responsiveness Summary that's
attachment to the Record of Decision. And again, it runs
-- it started last week and run through October 1. Again,
it will be published in the Record of Decision.
The administrative record file is at the
library. We have at the regional office. I don't think we
have copies of the proposed plan here. The investigation
is rather extensive. It's 1,600 pages. The FS is a little
smaller. It provides more of a brief synopsis of what's
occurred, plus talks about the risks, and then it delves to
the alternative components.
If you have written comments or if you'd
like to e-mail comments, then please send them to Dianna
Whitaker. There's her address and her e-mail. And again,
all those comments will be addressed in the Responsiveness
Summary.
Questions?
MR. STROBEL: What about new wells?
MR. FIELD: New wells?
MS, REPORTER: I need the name,
MR, FIELD: Please stand up and state
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reporter.
STROBEL: Keith Strobel,
REPORTER: Would you spell your
STROBEL: S-T-R-0-B-E-L,
REPORTER: Thank you.
STROBEL: What about if a guy wants
FIELD: In a special Area 3
STROBEL: Well, on the farm land
out there and that's here what we're talking about.
MR.
special Area 3 designat
FIELD: Okay. If it falls in the
ion, all wells would have to be
constructed according to those requirements per MDNR's
regulations.
MR. STROBEL: Then will you be -- then
will the -- the well owner, will he have the liability
there? If the toxins go down his well and get into New
Haven's well water, then the person that has the well dug.
is he liable?
MR.
to my site attorney.
MR.
the attorney for EPA,
FIELD: I'd have to defer liability
HOEFER: I am David Hoefer. I'm
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Keith, I'm sorry, what was -- what was the
question? If you want to put a well into the area --
MR. STROBEL: Well, take me through the
whole scenario. If I want to drill a well, do I just call
Sun Brother's Well Drilling up and tell them to come drill
a well?
MR. HOEFER: You can do that. When
they come out there, they're going to have to follow the
State regulations on putting a well in that area.
MR. STROBEL: Right.
MR. HOEFER: So you can put a well in
there, yes.
MR. STROBEL: But, I mean, that's the
end of it for me. Clem takes care of -- Clem goes to
whoever and takes care of it all, and I mean, is that at my
expense? I heard they're more expensive for a --
MR. HOEFER: It is a more expensive
well.
MR. STROBEL: And that'd be my cost?
MR. HOEFER: That would be your cost if
-- I know that in the past we've had some instances where
people were putting wells in that required additional
expense, and Kellwood Company paid that incremental cost,
the additional expense.
I can't speak for Kellwood, and I can't tell
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you whether they're -- they're not obligated under the
agreement that we currently have with them to pay for that
incremental expense.
I know historically they have done that, but
again, I cannot commit -- I can't speak for them.
MR. STROBEL: So you're setting up a
system where prior to this contamination, I could go get a
well for 6,000 bucks, no haggle, no nothing, and now I'm up
to how much? Maybe they could tell me how much they paid
for them last few. You fellows want to say what they paid
for that one?
MR. GORDAY: Well, there's no way we
could speculate on what it would be.
MR. STROBEL: You ain't got to
speculate. You already wrote the checks. Just tell me
what those cost. You don't have to tell me what mine might
cost. No, you ain't going to do that. So -- so I got --
so I got to pay extra for a well through no fault of my
own.
MR. HOEFER: The well is going to be
more expensive, correct.
MR. STROBEL: And I got to pay for it?
MR, HOEFER: You -- you may have
recourse. I'm not -- I don't represent you, Keith, and I
don't -- I can't give you legal advice. You may have
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recourse against --
MR. STROBEL: Well, if I want to go
down to Bryan Cave and take on the biggest law firm in the
Midwest, then I might stand a chance to get some of that
paid for. Is that what you're telling me?
MR, HOEFER: If you want to engage an
attorney to advise you on this, you're free to do that,
MR, STROBEL: All right. We've got two
-- you're telling us we all need a whole-house filtration
system. We've got two people right here sitting side by
side. One's got a whole-house filtration system, and the
other one hooks onto city water,
I'd like for them two to stand up and tell
me what they think about what -- the way they got it now.
If you don't mind, Bernard and Kent,
MR. LAUNE: I'm Bernard Laune,
L-A-U-N-E, I've been on city water, I don't know -- what,
how long has this been going on?
MR, STROBEL: About seven years,
MR, LAUNE: I guess ten years I've
been --
MR, STROBEL: Six and a half years,
MR, LAUNE: I'm on city water, and you
know, I like that, but the thing is that bugs me is when we
started out, we -- we paid the rate that everybody else
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paid. And then since I'm outside the city limits, now the
city has raised that rate 50 percent, or I'm paying time
and a half on my water rate since I live outside the -- and
I don't get -- you know, there's no reimbursement to me for
that.
So it's kind of like the well deal there,
you know, but I don't know how that come about that I ended
up -- I think everybody outside the city limits pays time
and a half, I think. The three people or two people or
whatever you guys got on the city water, I don't know what
-- how many's out of the city limits, but --
That -- that's -- that was -- that solved my
problem. All right. At that time, they acted like if I
keep drinking the water, I was going to turn green. But I
don't know. That's -- so we -- we listened to that and
made that change.
What were you going to ask?
MR. HOEFER: No, what I was -- the
purpose of the discussion is to talk about the alternative
that's being proposed here and whether that's a good
alternative and to get feedback on that.
Keith, your comment goes to the cost of
putting an additional well in or one of these compliant
wells --
MR. STROBEL: That's what I'm going to
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run into one of these days.
MR. HOEFER: So are you saying that you
-- you -•
MR. STROBEL: Well, I don't know.
MR. HOEFER: -- don't like this remedy
because --
MR. STROBEL: I don't know enough yet.
If Kent -- maybe if Kent stands up, maybe he would talk me
into being for it.
MR. VEDDER: Okay. I'm Kent Vedder.
V-E-D-D-E-R. And well, I did submit a public comment by
e-mail already, and I'd like to go over it just so it
addresses what you're saying.
In the proposed plan, whole-house water
treatment units are to be used for long-term solution in 9
of the 13 options, and used in interim in 3 of the 13
options.
It was my understanding, and also the
understanding of the residents that have whole-house
filtration now, that it was temporary until the studies and
the proposed plan was completed and the proposed plan would
address options other than whole- house filtration.
I actually even got an e-mail from EPA that
was addressed to David Hoefer, Susan Fullerson, Don
Schumacher, Kirk Osman, Keith Sturgis with DNR and myself.
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And it says -- it stated, "It is in the interest of all
parties to look at long-term and no longer consider
whole-house filtration option as a best alternative."
We have never been informed of anything
different than this, and have been told repeatedly that
this is a temporary solution to the problem.
Also the proposed plan states that the
Alternative 2b, 2d and 3b would provide a permanent
alternative water supply; however, the absence of agreement
to extend the water supply to the unincorporated is south
of New Haven renders those options unavailable --or
renders those unavailable.
Also one thing I'd like to add to that is
all your other treatment in the proposed -- in all the
other proposed plans is on city property. I am unaware of
any agreement you had with the city to drill these wells
and do the treatment on their property.
At least, if you do, I'm unaware. And if
you have to have an agreement prior to selecting a remedy,
you should throw all these out because you don't have an
agreement for any of them.
Also I stated that, you know, there are
other options besides the public --or there's other
options for a permanent water supply other than using the
City of New Haven's water that was discussed prior to -- I
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know we had Greseheimer and Slottic in there we were
talking about even a water district to put a well in, but
none of those have been addressed, or even putting a meter
on the city line and setting up a water district and paying
that way.
That hasn't been addressed. Pretty much
we've been total uninformed on this whole process, and it
seems to me like they're just trying to push it through and
get what they want and not what the community wants.
MR. STROBEL: Do you have to take off
ever so often from work and be there till they come and
change your filters and whatever?
MR. VEDDER: I've been off work many a
times, and you know I get there and while they do testing
every night, but usually that's after hours. But when
filters are changed out or whatever, yeah.
Like I said, I think this is should be taken
out of the proposed plan as far as I'm concerned, about
whole-house filtration. I don't think it should even be an
alternative. I'm sure there's other options available, but
that they're not even considered in the proposed plan,
I would like to see the proposed plan
addressing all alternates and state any of the above
additional alternatives that's not mentioned.
And then also I did address, you know, is
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there going to be some compensation for developers in the
future about their wells, or if we sell our house because
we are under a well advisory. It is a recorded document,
and if you get a title search, it's going to come up. I'm
sure you're going to take a cut on the price of your house
if you ever try to sell or if you try to develop and put a
well in.
And I think that needs to be addressed in
the proposed plan also.
MR. HOEFER: Okay, Basically it's my
understanding that all of those elements that you are
concerned about, all of the different ways of providing
water had been considered. And basically what we have --
we are limited by our opportunities here,
I mean, we have the existing groundwater
that can be used. Yes, you do have to follow state
regulations in how you put a well in. Yes, there's going
to be additional cost. Do you have recourse for that? I
think you probably have legal recourse for that,
We're not here to give you a legal
opportunity to recover your costs.
MR, STROBEL: Not without money, you
don't.
MR, HOEFER: We're here to protect
human health and the environment.
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MR, STROBEL: No, you don't. No,
there's no legal recourse unless you've got a pocket full
of cash. You ain't going to do that without money,
MR, HOEFER: I can't speak to that, I
don't represent you,
MR, STROBEL: Well, I can speak to it
because I don't have no money, and I'm telling you you
don't have no recourse if you don't have no money.
MR. HOEFER: So we've got the existing
groundwater. We've got the city water. We can't compel
the city to provide water outside the city,
MR, STROBEL: It ain't their fault.
MR. HOEFER: What's that?
MR. STROBEL: It ain't the city's
fault.
MR. HOEFER: We're not saying it is the
city's fault, but our options are limited by what we have
available to us. We have the existing groundwater. We can
use that. You can use that. Is it going to cost more?
Yes, it's going to cost more.
Can you have special recourse? Yes, we
think you do. I'm not going to comment on whether you
actually do, whether you think you can prevail in that
lawsuit, whether you can afford that, I don't know.
There's a lot of plaintiff's attorneys out there who, you
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know, work on a contingency basis.
That's up to you. That's not EPA's concern
frankly. I mean, that's not what we're here for. We're
here to protect human health and the environment. So
you've got the existing groundwater that can be used.
You've got the city water. The city has no obligation to
provide water outside of the city limits.
We cannot legally compel them to do that.
So we're limited on that. Well water might be an option.
We have -- we can talk about that, We think -- I think
Jeff has somebody here from the Rural Water District
Association that can discuss that.
We're happy to talk about that, and see if
that's a viable alternative. When we considered this, it
didn't appear to be a viable alternative,
I'm sorry, Kent?
MR. VEDDER: I was going to say you
were talking about the city not -- you mentioned that a
water district with a rural well is an option that's not
addressed.
Also I guess my comment is when I was --
we've been told since day one when these filters went in
they was a temporary solution, I mean, I got an e-mail
stating that -- that was addressed to all you guys, stating
that this was a temporary solution.
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MR, HOEFER: Yeah, Kent, I don't know
who that e-mail is from, but I accept that you got it.
MR. VEDDER: I can pull the exact
e-mail and send you the whole e-mail,
MR, HOEFER: Okay,
MR, VEDDER: I mean, it was addressed
to you,
MR, HOEFER: I think it was our hope
that this would be a temporary solution,
MR, FIELD: Yeah, our conversation the
other day on the phone --
MR. VEDDER: And I mean, Jeff keeps
telling me every question I ask is that's before I was
involved in it, I don't care, I'm a project manager also,
and if I don't know what was going on with the job prior to
me, I'd be the one in trouble,
MR, FIELD: I also indicated that I
thought the filtration system was a short-term remedy, not
a long-term remedy,
MR, VEDDER: And but that's part --
that's what you're selecting for your proposed plan,
MR, FIELD: Because it's a component of
the order that's existing now. So that wouldn't stop
because a remedy that we're prefer is going in place. That
has to continue so you're not at risk of drinking
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contaminated water.
MR. VEDDER: Now, this is to continue
until the permanent solution is put in place?
MR. FIELD: That's right.
MR. VEDDER: And there's nothing in
your proposed plan for a permanent solution.
MR. FIELD: As Dave alluded to, we're
very limited on our alternatives regarding a permanent
solution.
MR. HOEFER: But, Kent, the permanent
solution --
MR. VEDDER: You know we tried to work
with -- deal with the city. They actually got a
professional facilitator, but once that got too close, the
project manager and the professional facilitator were
pushed off the job because they were trying to work for the
public instead of for Kellwood.
MR. STROBEL: Yeah, whatever happened
to Doug Sarno?
MR. VEDDER: He got dismissed.
MR. HOEFER: I was not involved with
that project. So --
MR. STROBEL: All right. We're moving
along. We got the well.
MR. HOEFER: Let's talk about what's
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feasible. So we've got the groundwater, we've got the city
water, we've got -- you want to talk about a rural water
district, do you want to --
MR. STROBEL: (Inaudible.)
MR. HOEFER: Yeah, I think there's some
screening out of alternatives that occur early on in the
process when the engineers sit down, and so --
MR. FIELD: I asked the representative
from the Missouri District Company to speak on or to
provide you guys information on the possibility of a rural
water district. If you want to --
MR. BALMER: Yeah. I have 30 copies.
MR. FIELD: Could you go ahead and
state your name for the court reporter.
MR. BALMER: Oh, okay. Jim Balmer.
B-A-L-M-E-R. Circuit rider with Missouri Rural Water
Association.
Jeff had contacted me, and on our website,
moruralwater.org, we have a regulatory research where you
can drop down. And it comes up to the Chapter 247,
Missouri Revised Statutes.
I printed off formation of public water
supply district procedures. It's about a nine step to get
it to the circuit court clerk, and it's good reading. It
really explains what needs to be done, what needs to be
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formed, what you have to do. Who you will probably have to
hire in order to get the project underway.
And it's still up to the circuit court clerk
whether they grant it or not. I'd like to hand these out
to the property owners, the people who --
MR. STROBEL: While you're handing to
everybody, why don't you just give Kellwood one. It's
their mess. I mean, why don't they take it through the
nine steps. Are you telling us that's what we got to do?
MR. FIELD: This is an alternative
that's out there.
MR. STROBEL: So let me -- oh, he's
handing them out. So I got a house and I got a well, and
there's no contamination in it. Real good chance it's
right outside in my pipe, but if it's grouted right and
everything, it's just right there, but it's not coming in.
And say they blast up on the hill up here
less than a mile -- well, about a mile away or say the New
Madrid fault, we have an earthquake and the ground shifts.
Now, is somebody going to come out there and check all them
wells shortly after that?
And say they do come out and check them all,
and then they say well, you need a whole-house filtration
system. So take me through how that unfolds, somebody,
please.
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Do I got to go back down to St. Louis to
Bryan Cave, and start all over again, or is it -- how's
that work?
MR. FIELD: I can't --
MR, STROBEL: Well, it's the lifetime
I'm going to have to live. I would like to know how it's
all going to work,
MR. FIELD: That's a hypothetical I
can't address.
MR. STROBEL: So if I need -- if I need
a whole-house filtration system out there, I -- you can't
help me?
MR. FIELD: Yeah, we'll hook you up
one,
do?
MR, STROBEL: Well, what have I got to
MR, FIELD: We'll contact Kellwood --
MR. HOEFER: We have an agreement in
place with Kellwood that if their contamination -- if
contamination from their former facility is affecting
anybody like Wildcat Creek Estates. Those people have been
affected so far. That -- that's not limited to Wildcat
Creek Estates. So if somebody else is affected by the
contamination, currently they have a legal obligation to
provide whole-house filtration.
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I think they have -- they've done some well
work before with people. I mean, but in the past they have
-- they have done that work, and we have an agreiement with
them, and I think they'll continue.
They have legal obligations. We have
avenues if they don't do that work. So I have every
expectation that they will. So you do have an opportunity
there to get somebody to provide you with whole-house or --
MR, STROBEL: I would call you guys?
MR, HOEFER: Yeah, if -- well, if we
find out that that well is contaminated, yes. We will --
MR, STROBEL: Who's doing the testing?
Periodic testing or event testing, you know, what I mean.
If we had an earthquake or something, surely you're going
to send somebody out to check everybody's well?
MR. FIELD: Yeah, Absolutely, It
would be tested, we would test it,
MR, STROBEL: And then if it shows up
positive, do I need to take over from there, or will you
automatically get with Kellwood and get me fixed up, get me
a bag of charcoal?
MR, FIELD: We have an agreement in
place, like Dave said, already. So it's just a matter of
going out there and testing to verify that that section is
at viable health risk levels. And if so, we have all the
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expectations Kellwood will respond according to the order
that we have in place with them now,
MR, HOEFER: We have been doing this
for years with Kellwood under this agreement. This
agreement I think has been in effect since 2003, 2004,
somewhere,
MR, GORDAY: 2002,
MR, FIELD: 2002,
MR, HOEFER: 2002, SO we've got eight
years of experience with them, and we have not had an issue
like this, I mean, basically if any house is shown to have
contamination above levels of MCLs that we consider to be
unsafe, we have contacted them and provided them with the
data, the information. They've gone out there, and they
put whole-house, or they've otherwise attended to it.
Again, they have a legal obligation under
this agreement. There are penalties that apply if they
don't, and we fully expect that they would perform. That's
been the history,
MR, STROBEL: Sounds like almost
they're the good guys in this deal,
I got a feeling if somebody is going to live
happily every after, that it's going to be Kellwood, and I
don't think it's going to be the people out there in 0U6,
MR, HOEFER: It's out goal for
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everybody to live happily ever after too.
MR. STROBEL: Yeah,
MR. HOEFER: And we're doing our best
to try accomplish that.
MR, STROBEL: I don't agree with that
one damn bit, I think you're laying down for Kellwood,
That's my personal opinion, you know, I just don't see it,
I don't -- well, like I say, I know you guys probably want
a filtration system in your basement, but I really don't,
you know. You might already have one. You might have
bought a house with one in it.
MR, HOEFER: Again, we are limited. We
have certain alternatives that are available to us.
Whole-house filtration is relatively inexpensive. It
works. You know, it's tried and true. We know it -- some
of the other options, again, we cannot compel the city to
provide water.
Rural Water District might it be an option?
One of the considerations that we are required by law to
follow is cost. If it's -- and I don't know the cost. I
can't speak to that. This gentleman handed out information
that will, you know, inform that decision,
Kent?
MR. VEDDER: You just said cost.
What's the option of having a mixed funding site and a
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superfund site? It seems like EPA could pick up some of
the costs under the superfund,
MR, HOEFER: The only time we do mixed
-- so-called mixed funding settlements, mixed funding
agreements, is typically when we have a recalcitrant viable
party who we can sue to recover the fund share. And so
basically what we need is we need somebody -- say if there
was somebody else who contributed to the contamination who
is -- who is not participating, we will kick in fund money
typically.
I've got a couple of those sites in
Missouri, I've looked on those sites, but we need to
recover the fund share. We need to recover the taxpayer
dollars essentially.
So here I'm not aware of any other viable
recalcitrant responsible parties who we can recover the
fund share from,
MR. VEDDER: Well, I'm just saying if
there's cost --to get a whole say a water system in,
either Rural Water District or whatever, if it's not
feasible under your plan for Kellwood to pay for that, why
can't the superfund make up the difference?
MR. HOEFER: Well, one of the reasons
is the superfund is no longer being replinished by -- by
revenue, by tax revenue, and so we are very limited on what
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we can do with the superfund in terms of so-called fund
lead actions, actions that are paid for by the superfund.
We typically look for opportunities where we
have a viable party who will pay for it, because frankly,
the superfund just doesn't have that much money anymore.
And then when we do consider, and what we do is we look at
risk. And when we have various sites that are being
proposed for funding by the superfund, it has to go with
-- through what's known as a priority panel. And that's a
group of EPA engineers and scientists who look at it and
they look what are the risks posed by this contamination,
and they rank the sites based on that, and they're funded
on that basis.
In this instance, we have whole- house
filtration, which is working. Which we know works. So to
spend, you know, on the magnitude more money for a
different remedy, it doesn't -- it's not from the
taxpayer's perspective, it just doesn't make sense.
MR. VEDDER: Well, let me ask you.
Would you accept whole-house filtration in your house if
you were in the same situation?
MR. HOEFER: I don't -- I think with
the whole-house filtration, it would probably give me
cleaner water than what I -- no offense to the city, but I
mean --
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MR. LAUNE: I question it was if you
lived out there and you wanted to build a new home or you
sold, like myself, got around a hundred acres and I want to
sell some of that. Some day it will be sold because I'm --
I'll pass on, and then my children -- and you want to sell
it and put -- it's choice property for that.
And say we sell it to you, and you come in
there and you're confronted with this problem. Are you
just going to accept the fact that you've got to spend a
whole lot more money for a well, and nobody's going to
reimburse you?
MR. HOEFER: I guess right now the
experience has been that Kellwood has paid that, and with
regard to if I had a house out there, right now everybody
who has a house in the area of contamination, Kellwood is
providing the whole-house filtration devices.
And so, you know, I understand that it is a
hassle. I understand that there's, you know, time
involved. That if people have to go in there and sample
that water periodically and change out those filters, I
understand that.
MR. LAUNE: Yeah, but you really didn't
really answer my question there about, you know --
MR. HOEFER: I may have lost track.
I'm sorry.
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MR. LAUNE: Well, if I was -- if I sold
a lot, you know, and then a person wanted to build a house
out there. Well, right now, nobody's going to want to do
that, but say for development and you'd have to say well,
you know, this well's going to cost you another -- I have
no idea how much more the wells cost. Let's just say 40,
50 percent more than a standard well.
Why, they're going to say to hell with you,
and they're on down the road, you know.
MR. HOEFER: That's possible. I
understand that. I will say again though that to date what
I have seen happen is I have seen Kellwood --
MR. LAUNE: Yeah, but I'd have to have
an additional well before they're going to put a filtration
system in.
MR. HOEFER: I'm sorry,
MR, LAUNE: I'd have to have -- the
well would have to be there --
MR, HOEFER: Well, you'd have to put a
well in anyway. If you're going to have a house, you would
have a well anyway,
MR. LAUNE: Well, no, I'm saying a
brand new home. Somebody, you know --
MR. HOEFER: Uh-huh.
MR. LAUNE: So I'd have to -- I'd have
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to put the well in, and
filtration system
for the well --
state regulations
you would put the
regardless.
but it's going to
then I'
anyway, and I
MR.
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cost
MR,
that so far what we've
-- that difference. So
well --
home did they pay
MR,
that?
MR.
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a couple of occasions.
that. So if --
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HOEFER:
LAUNE:
how to
HOEFER:
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LAUNE:
a whole
HOEFER:
seen is
if you
LAUNE:
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but they
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d have to call for the
'd have to pay additional
But what I'm saying --
-- because I have to meet
dig the well.
What I'm saying is that
'd have to have a well
Well, I understand that.
hell of a lot more.
Well, what I'm saying is
we've seen Kellwood pay that
have to pay $4,000 for a
I want to know on whose
--
Several of them.
Huh?
Several of them they did.
Well, you know.
I think they've done it on
''ve paid -- they've paid
They paid that.
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MR. HOEFER: So if you say if it cost
you $4,000 to put a well in, and it's going to cost you
20,000, so far what I have seen is I've seen them paid
that. And I'm not saying that they're committed
necessarily. I mean, they're not spending it in the
agreement we have with them right now. They have paid that
incremental cost. And then you don't need filtration.
MR. STROBEL: Before you pump up
Kellwood's chest too much, Kellwood ain't paid on damn dime
they paid didn't know they had to pay.
MR. HOEFER: Well, I --
MR. STROBEL: If they did, what is
there? Where did they spill money?
MR. HOEFER: I'm sorry. Where did
they?
MR. STROBEL: Where did they spend more
money than they had to?
MR. HOEFER: I'm --
MR. STROBEL: You know, you're up there
standing up there acting like well, Kellwood, man, they're
Santy Claus. Just help yourself. Well, they ain't.
If they -- if they know they ain't going to
-- if they know they're going to --
MR. HOEFER: I can't speak for Kellwood
and I'm not --
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MR. STROBEL:
MR. HOEFER:
MR. STROBEL:
say Kellwood's --
MR. HOEFER:
MR. STROBEL:
Kellwood --
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Well, then don't try.
I'm not --
Don't stand up there and
I can tell you --
-- great because
I can only tell you --
and Mr, Hoefer speaking
I can only tell you under the legal
agreements what they're required
done what they're required to do
MR, POPLAWSKI
represent Kellwood. And the last
spell. It's P-O-P-L-A-W-S-K-I.
Keith, good to see
MR. STROBEL:
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yet to see you come to me or any
to do and that they have
legally.
: Steve Poplawski, and I
name, I know it's hard to
you again.
Howdy, how you doing?
: I'm doing fine, I've
representative of Kellwood
with a specific proposal from you that you want us to
consider regarding the installation of a well.
MR, STROBEL:
MR, POPLAWSKI
because they let you go on for a
Not a well,
Can I finish, please.
while here. So let me
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finish.
If you want to do that, we'll consider it.
Now, right now, I understand your property is east of
Highway C, correct? Yes?
MR, STROBEL: Yes.
MR. POPLAWSKI: And as far as I know, I
know you're on the well advisory, but our contamination
isn't over there. So that's an issue for us.
Now, we have with Mrs, Benson's well, and
Bert -- Barkley well we've paid the differential that
David's talked about. When the high school was putting in
a new water line, EPA said to us be better if they put in a
different type of pipe that's going to cost more. Kellwood
paid for that.
There was no order requiring us to do it,
There was no order requiring us to do anything but Mrs.
Benson's well. Those are just examples of situations where
Kellwood has spent money that we were not ordered to spend.
We had been ordered to spend the money on the whole-house
filtration. In fact, the first whole-house filtration that
we actually put in, there was no order in place.
I can remember being on Thanksgiving
vacation and getting the call from Keith Gripps'
predecessor, Tom Polihan, and Tom Polihan saying I've got
this issue. EPA is calling me. This was Friday after
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Thanksgiving. We had a consultant out there installing
systems the following Monday.
The company cares about this, and I'd ask
the people who reviewed the FS and the RI to look at the
cost. The proposed remedy that EPA is picking, this was
not our preferred alternative. This is theirs, and it's
over $5 million.
The company has already spent millions of
dollars to conduct the investigation, and we're not
complaining. We're just laying out some facts. Okay. And
so I realize the frustration that Kent had, and I'll just
-- and other people have had because your expectations are
different from what the proposed plan is.
We're going to go forward and work with EPA,
We may file comments, we may not, on what EPA has put
forward just like you're free to do here. We're available
after this meeting, you know, and Jeff closes the record,
to talk to folks if they want to talk about the issues or
concerns that they have,
Whether we can address them or not, I don't
know, I will say we're continuing to negotiate with the
city. Whether that will work out or not, I don't know. We
haven't gotten there yet, but just the fact that these guys
issued their proposal doesn't mean that we've stopped those
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So that's my response.
MR, STROBEL: Well, then my response to
that is I don't think you would have paid any of them -- I
don't think you wanted to lose in court to that other. I
don't think you wanted to lose in court to any of them.
Otherwise, you wouldn't have -- you wouldn't have paid it.
That's my opinion,
So back to what I said, I don't think that
you spent one dime that you didn't have -- that you knew it
was pertinent to spend as opposed to going forth with the
alternative,
MR, FIELD: Anybody else, comments,
suggestions?
MR, LAUNE: I do have another question.
I asked Jeff this question before.
On your outline on the internet, and I don't
know if you have to follow this or not, after your
feasibility study, you have the public comment. Then you
have proposed plan and public comment.
My question to him was why didn't we have
the public comment prior to the proposed plan ever being
developed so our comments could be heard prior to the
finaiization of the proposed plan.
He told me that wasn't followed in any of
the other operable units, which I know for a fact that it
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was followed in OUl because I have the feasibility study.
I have all the information, I commented on it prior to the
proposed plan coming out. It's just I wanted to get some
more information prior to the proposed plan and have
comments before the proposed plan was finished.
I don't know if you can or if it's a
possibility to go back and look at any of these other
options that we've talked about and add to the proposed
plan or not. But if you -- are you set with the proposed
plan that's in place?
MR. HOEFER: No, that's the purpose of
this meeting. I mean, really we want to come up with a
good solution here. That's our goal. That's been our goal
from day one.
Can we come up with the best possible
solution in the world? Probably not. I mean, are we going
to make everybody happy? Probably not, We're going to do
our best job on this.
We've been doing this a long time, I think
we know, you know, how to do this properly. We're trying
to do that, but you know, a component of this is the public
comment opportunity. It's the opportunity for you all to
give, you know, input into this process. That's required
by law.
We want that. We want something that
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satisfies the people. Again, is it going to be the very
optimal solution? Probably not. It's probably not going
to make everybody happy. Is it going to be legally what we
are required to do? Absolutely it will be.
As to public comment, I've been doing this
over 20 years. I have not seen instances where we give a
public comment opportunities before the feasibility study,
MR, LAUNE: We did that on OUl,
MR, HOEFER: We basically -- and that
was one of my had voiced that, so I'm sure and I trusted
that that's correct, I'm sure that I attended that. And
I'm going to poll Dianna Whitaker. Dianna Whitaker is our
community involvement person. She's our expert on -- I
know we are required by law to have a public availability
session or a meeting like this once the proposed plan goes
out.
I think we can go beyond that and provide
additional meetings, but that is atypical in my experience,
MR, LAUNE: I'm just asking do you have
to follow what's posted on your website?
MR, HOEFER: I don't know what's posted
on the website.
MR. LAUNE: I've got a copy of it right
here.
MS, WHITAKER: Well, people can comment
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all along the process. We don't need to have a meeting.
MR, STROBEL: Well, that's the problem.
We didn't have any meetings.
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MS. WHITAKER: Well, we've been down
here for other operable units, and even some people can
come to those meetings and --
MR. STROBEL: And then when they come
for the other operable unit, they say we have to stick to
the plan we're discussing.
MR, FIELD: Unfortunately, that's not
our website. That's the website that the USGS does for us,
and that's an error. We don't follow that. We follow our
guidelines.
MR, HOEFER: Well, Kent, you've been --
I know you've been talking to Jeff, you know, sending
e-mails and so forth over the last couple of -- and so I --
I mean, we'll always available. I know you've been talking
to him about some of these issues,
I mean, we're always available. We're
required by law to do certain things, and we do those
things. If you want to have additional conversations,
you're always free to do that, I mean, you don't have to
wait for a public meeting to do that. I mean, you know.
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you have --
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MR, FIELD: All the responses I
received, I responded back. Nothing wrong with that.
That's fine. We can continue to do that, I've done it
with Steve.
MR, LAUNE: I was kind of asking for a
public meeting prior to the proposed plan, but you said
that's what you didn't -- you never followed this in the
past,
MR, FIELD: Well, I'll have to dig that
e-mail out because I'm not sure that that's exactly what's
-- and again, that's -- there's an error on that website.
That's not -- that's correct,
MR, HOEFER: Kent, if you want to
submit comments, and that's the purpose of this. If you
want to submit comments into the record on this and what
we're doing, that's -- that's the whole point of this, you
know, to provide that.
And particularly, you know, you've talked
about the Rural Water District. If you can study what has
been provided to you all to see if that's an option that
you think is appropriate, you know, it has to -- frankly it
has to fit into our criteria.
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If it's extraordinarily expensive, we're not
going to compel that. We're going to go with something
that's protective, that meets ARARs, et cetera, and the
cost of development that we're required to consider.
MR. LAUNE: We've talked about these
options before, and nobody has told us that these options
were off the table. I'm just saying why aren't they in the
feasibility study or in the proposed plan as an option.
MR. FIELD: All the alternatives that
are in the feasibility study have to do with protecting
human health and the environment.
MR. LAUNE: Well, I'm just saying why
isn't our comments addressed anywhere on what we'd like to
do?
MR. FIELD: Well, we just opened the
public comment period.
MR. LAUNE: I mean before that when we
were talking about all these other ideas and --
MR. FIELD: Well, if they weren't
relative or substantive to that remedy, they wouldn't be
put into the Responsiveness Summary. That's why these are
specific operable units in the proposed plan. Choose
alternative specific to that operable unit. So all these
comments that we're receiving now, and hopefully more as
they come in, will be responded to appropriately in the
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Responsiveness Summary for this proposed plan.
MR. HOEFER: And, Kent, I don't get
that because I'm a lawyer, I don't need to be there, I
don't do the technical work, but I guess I didn't know you
had comments on this until last week when you started
sending us e-mails.
So you know, if you make -- if you make your
comments known, we'll consider them, Keith?
MR, STROBLE: I think probably the
reason nobody has any comments prior to this the last
couple of weeks was for the last five and a half, six
years, all that was batted around was the public waters to
the point where Kent was promised public water in less than
a year right in front of the high school. And I was
standing right next to him, and said don't worry. We'll
have you public water in less than a year.
You know, there was never in the last five
and half years did anybody talk about whole-house
filtration system. So everybody involved is all thinking
well, sooner or later they're going to run us some water.
They're dragging their feet, but sooner or later they're
going to work it out with the city or put something up and
get us some water.
Now, the first time I heard anything about
whole-house filtration system was in the paper the other
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day when I read it. So to say that nobody voiced their --
nobody voiced their concerns is because I guess the whole
smoke screen public water gig was keeping us kind of
occupied with that until all of a sudden, bamo.
MR, HOEFER: You know, I think we were
hoping with the public water some type of accommodation of
that sort would work out,
MR, STROBEL: Well, you was hopeful.
Grab them by the ear and tell them. What do you mean
hopeful? What are you hoping that they're going to all of
a sudden wake up one morning and feel all magnanimous and
say oh, let's just give them water.
MR, HOEFER: No, we -- again, we cannot
compel. We cannot legally compel public water to be
provided down there,
MR, STROBEL: But you can --
MR, HOEFER: In terms of city --
municipal water being extended down there, we can't compel
that.
MR, STROBEL: But you can tell us to
put a filter in?
MR, HOEFER: No, we -- no, if -- we can
tell --
MR, STROBEL: We didn't screw it up.
Kellwood screwed it up.
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MR, HOEFER: We can tell Kellwood at
this point to put a filter in,
MR, STROBEL: But Kellwood is the ones
that screwed it up. I said how in the world do you want to
come to us and tell us, the ones that got screwed, hey,
we're going to hit you one more time on this. Put a filter
in.
There ain't nobody out there wants a filter.
Well, there might be, but I don't want no filter. I don't
want to sell a house with a filter, and I don't want to buy
a house with a filter. And I don't think any of you want
to buy a house with a filter, you know.
MR. HOEFER: Is your property
contaminated now? Is it --
MR. STROBEL: It's contaminated. In
fact, that little thing that says well area or whatever
that's all the contamination we need. It don't -- you
know,
MR. HOEFER: You're part of Area 3?
MR. STROBEL: Of 6, probably the most
land in 6.
MR. FIELD: Well, Evan can correct me
if I'm wrong, but I think there's an opportunity through
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the Missouri legislature to amend the boundaries of special
Area 3.
MR. KEIFER: Well --
MR. STROBEL: Well, somebody take care
of that for me then, or is that another one of them you go
do it deals?
MR. FIELD: I mean, that's an option
that can be explored and can be taken care of.
MR. KEIFER: My name is Evan Kifer. The
well regulations, I mean that area designated was
designated because at the time that they were promulgating
those regulations were and put into the rule that was the
area of understanding of where things were at.
That could be adjusted at some point down
the road. We will ultimately probably be adjusting for
other reasons in the rule in other parcels.
MR. STROBEL: You ain't going to
eliminate that.
MR. KEIFER: Well, I didn't say
eliminate.
MR, STROBEL: I know, but --
MR, KEIFER: The only way the area
would be adjusted would be if there's no contamination
there. That would be grounds maybe to reconsider the
boundaries as they stand. But otherwise, that's what
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you're looking at.
Now, the question for you, you keep talking
about a well. What kind of a well are you talking about?
MR. STROBEL: Well, if I want --
MR. KEIFER: Are you talking about --
MR. STROBEL: If I want to bust up
three acres and build a house down there --
MR. KEIFER: So you're talking single
family?
MR. STROBEL: Residential well.
MR. KEIFER: Okay. I wanted to make
sure because those -- these rules apply to a single family
well.
MR, STROBEL: Well, I'm not -- you're
not going to let me dig a big well right next to --
MR, KEIFER: A multiple family well --
MR, STROBEL: -- New Haven,
MR, KEIFER: But beyond that, if you
were to need to serve more than 25 people --
MR, STROBEL: You're not going to let
me do it. You're going to make me hook to the city of New
Haven, most likely.
MR. KEIFER: But then you would need to
go to a public supply well.
MR. STROBEL: Right, right. I
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understand that, but I mean --
MS. HOLT: My name's Ann Holt. A-N-N
H-O-L-T.
I'd like to ask you how long would that be
available, how soon could that happen? I live 20 feet from
-- my house is 20 foot from this line. They checked me one
time in all these years, said don't have a problem. All of
sudden when they make the guidelines we're included in it.
My house was built in 1909. I don't own
that well. We bought it, and the farmer doesn't use it
except -- but he owns that well, you know. So I would like
to have my own well, obviously, you know, for reasons down
the road.
Will those move soon? Will -- you know, how
do we go about starting that process? Do I ask someone?
MR, KEIFER: Those rules could be
changed basically if somebody, it could be me, it could be
Jeff, it could be Kellwood, approach staff for the well
installation board and make that recommendation.
But we would have to have good reasons,
Basically we would have to have documentation that this
area is clean, and that needs to be included.
If it's part of the contaminated area, if
there's wells nearby that are contaminated, then there's a
chance that your well could become contaminated. So you
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would need that additional protection by -- by making your
well to greater standards.
Because essentially what they're doing is
trying to keep that contamination from spreading, because I
wanted to address this because I've been keeping my tongue
here for a while. But the whole-house filtration system,
although you're very much against it, one thing to keep in
mind the whole reason that this contamination is affecting
your well, it's affecting some of the other ones that have
contamination because the original well in there did not
have enough casing in it to keep that contamination, which
is at a shallow level, from going deeper.
So my recommendation as a geologist and as
someone who's dealt with wells for a long time is, even
though you've basically need to keep those filtration
systems in place until the levels go down. Whether it be
through use directly in your home or whether it be through
units used maybe for other purposes, I would still
recommend that you continue, because essentially you're
reversing the process of that caused that plume around your
well.
It looks like it was your well that was the
one that started that contamination in your area because
your well casing was not sealed properly when constructed.
So therefore, the fact that your well and the neighbor's
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well, you've got a plume now that you're essentially
remediating by continuing to use that treatment.
Now, your well happens the levels are low
enough that you're almost down to the MCL there, basically
the level that's considered protective. Once it gets down
below that, you may be in a position to offer to be able to
remove that system, but I'm sure that's going to be a
little ways down the road yet.
But now, if the other wells are
contaminated, the levels are considered to be higher, if
you leave it in the ground, you've got this plume that's
stuck down there, and that -- that deeper stuff is often
going to go on towards the Missouri River. You don't want
to impact city wells. Of course, I wouldn't want to put
them in -- at risk of a problem because you've got a plume
there that's not being taken care of.
So by using those wells that are
contaminated, you're reversing that process. So had the
well not been there, there wouldn't have been a plume there
to begin with anyways.
Basically this investigation has just gotten
completed, you know. We're still working through the
process. Once we get done with what we're doing here, then
it will be the time to take the data and see if there is a
reason to adjust the boundaries.
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MS, HOLT: What time line do you think
that be? A year, years?
MR, KEIFER: Well, the process itself.
once they decide to move forward, takes about a year and a
half to -- to make changes like that. Again, someone would
have to go before the well installation board and basically
make a recommendation based upon data we have at hand that
those boundaries can be altered.
That's something reason -- that should
reasonably be looked at,
MS, HOLT: Well, do they check them
again? We've been checked once in this whole time. They
checked one time, and they couldn't find --
MR, KEIFER: You mean the well was
tested?
MS, HOLT: One time.
MR. KEIFER: Now, the folks that deal
with the regulations aren't the ones. Tell it to the ones
that are going to test the well, and they're -- according
to the proposed --
MS. HOLT: Well, I need to get them
back to test.
MR, KEIFER: Well, according to the
proposed plan, they're planning on continuing to do that
testing, you know.
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MR. POPLAWSKI: We -- I mean, we have
some upcoming tests. If you can let us know, --
MS. HOLT: Okay.
MR. POPLAWSKI: -- if you can tell us.
MS. HOLT: Okay.
MR. KEIFER: That was part of the plan
to continue to do that testing as we go forward here.
MR, POPLAWSKI: Yeah, because we'd like
to find out that it's still clean,
MS, HOLT: Great. Thank you.
MR. KEIFER: If it's going to be
adjusted, it's going to be based on whether or not it
supports the order.
MR. SCHUMACHER: The regulations as
they stand essentially say that we're going to look at your
site --
MR. KEIFER: Yeah, that's a good point
to make for those of you who didn't hear John.
Basically the regulations as they stand
essentially say that we're going to look at your site. So
in other words, if you want to drill a well, either you or
the driller would have to approach staff in Rolla and say
this is where I want to build a well. How do I do it?
And they're going to set the specs based
upon what they think is appropriate, which is going to be
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based upon the data.
MS. HOLT: Okay. Thank you.
MR. FIELD: Just one comfort level.
All along the western boundary except for two southern,
that's all been cleaned and all the residential homes.
MS. HOLT: But it shouldn't be a
problem, but it still has to be checked out though?
MR, FIELD: Right, And after we're
doing residential sampling to well sampling to include well
monitoring and residential homes. So they'll include your
well in that.
MS. HOLT: Okay.
MR. STROBEL: You say that you're
testing the water in the residential wells to see if the
contamination is in that area?
MR, FIELD: Right,
MR. STROBEL: And Evan and I had a
discussion several years back and about the property along
Highway C, and I said well, how did it get all the way down
to Kent's? I said, well, if it got all the way to Kent's,
surely some of these houses along in through there they
developed would have got it.
I think Evan told me, he said, John -- you
can correct me if I'm wrong, but he said well, the
contamination is probably around most of those other wells.
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but they're constructed in a manner where the contamination
doesn't get inside the well. So it doesn't show up as
contamination inside the wells, but it's -- you're using
that for a finder.
Well, hell, it might be right there on the
other side of that pipe, and you're claiming it ain't
nowhere around,
MR, FIELD: I'm saying if the well is
clean, that's something to be considered when we look at
changing the boundary. If it hasn't got into the well now
through all the years of pumpage and usage, it's safe to
say -- I have a level of comfort saying that it will
continue to be like that.
MR. STROBEL: So Evan was wrong.
There's been water all along Highway C in them rural --
MR. FIELD: There's water -- like I
said, there's four transmissive zones that that PCE has
occurred in.
Now, Evan can address his statement. I'm
not going to speak for Evan,
MR. STROBEL: Okay. Well, all right.
Well, you did discuss wells not in somebody's drinking
water, but just where you poked your own hole and went
down, or they -- how are they going up?
MR. FIELD: Well, Lee's done all the
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monitoring well installation for Parsons and Kellwood, and
he can talk to the occurrences or nonoccurrences of people
he has drilled. You want to --
MR. GORDAY: Well, the figures up on
the wall show the extent --by the way Lee Gorday.
G-0-R-D-A-Y. Sorry.
Show the extent of PCE detection in all the
various wells we've sampled. One of them -- the one right
in front of Jeff there with the four panels shows it by
zone. So the upper left panel is overburden or
unconsolidated material. The upper right panel is upper
most bedrock, and upper the sand marker bed.
The lower left panel is in the Swan Creek,
and the lower right panel is for lower Jeff City. And
basically we know from the sampling, the extent in each of
those levels, and generally we have detected nothing. We
have a monitoring well on the east side of Wildcat Creek
Lane in the upper bedrock. There is no PCE present there.
And that is zone with the most extensive
extent of contamination.
MR. FIELD: So even in the lower Jeff
City with these two here, PS 13 and 14 that I talked about,
the high levels and the get less than 5 or around 5 down
here. Most of the sites are up into the unconsolidated
overburden and up into the upper bedrock in those fairly
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So this was mapped out showing the clean
line and clean area where it's
installations.
MR. LAUNE:
presentation, you were talking
PCE contamination in the creek
shown up in monitoring well
You reeled through your
about you didn't find some
in the branch I guess I
should say behind Wildcat Creek Subdivision?
MR.
MR.
if I'm not mistaken.
MR,
MR,
MR,
MR.
MR.
know the kids play down
in it.
MR.
FIELD:
LAUNE:
FIELD:
KEIFER
LAUNE:
FIELD:
LAUNE:
in it.
FIELD:
Right.
Is that July 16, I believe.
This is the 500 or 600?
: Six hundred.
The 600 you were talking.
Six hundred we're talking.
Is that any health risk? I
the neighbor kids play down
The nature of PCE is that
it has a high vapor pressure, which means when it's exposed
to the air, it goes away very (
in the risk assessment.
pathway or a risk. The
juickly. That was included
and that was not complicating for a
PCE that does occur there doesn't
occur there all the time.
MR. LAUNE: I just know that branch is
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spring-fed.
right around.
MR. FIELD: Right,
MR. LAUNE: And you know, the kids play
MR, FIELD: And that water that comes
up there --
MR, LAUNE: That spring is
contaminated, I didn't know how quick it volatilizes or --
MR, FIELD: It volatizes very quickly.
The thing is when we have a lot of rain or a lot of
precipitation, that overland flow that goes into the ground
feeds down through all those fractures in the bedrock, and
it picks up some of that PCE that's in those upper zones
carries that out to those outcrops,
So again, that was run through the risk
assessment, and that's not like that risk or provides a
hazard ingestion above 1 because it does volatize really
quick.
MR, LAUNE: I do want to make one other
comment. According to Keith's statement, you know, nobody
has really said anything or commented on this exactly
because as far as we knew whole-house filtration wasn't
even going to be an option.
That's probably why you've been getting
e-mails right and left from me on this, and probably get
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more,
MR, FIELD: That's fine.
MR, STROBEL: Shouldn't we survey the
people out there?
MR, LAUNE: Well, that's what I
thought,
MR, STROBEL: Did you give a public
your own water, city water, whole-house filtration.
whatever you've got listed up there, why don't you put that
-- give everybody a survey, and let them rate them one.
two, three, four,
MR. FIELD: That's a good idea.
MR, STROBEL: Or whatever. Or it ain't
that important?
MR, FIELD: Again, it goes into the
putting in of an alternate water supply system that we have
no control over. Those two parties right here control
that.
MR, STROBEL: Who?
MR, FIELD: The city and Kellwood.
MR. STROBEL: The city don't owe us
anything,
MR, FIELD: Well, they have a water
system that could be hooked into.
MR. STROBEL: Could be. So now it's on
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the -- is the city -- the city is in on this is what you're
saying? Steve, are you in on this? Are you working
against us?
No, what's happening here is we're all going
to get -- if we take this route here, slowly but surely
people are going to get sick of, and then we're going to go
to the city and see if they can't work out something
without Kellwood's involved is what -- is where this is
going.
And I guess that's a good thing if -- if you
don't want to pay for it and you would like to see people
pay for it themselves, then it's a wonderful thing. But I
expected more of you. I expected it out of Kellwood, but I
expected better out of the EPA.
MR. FIELD: Well, like Dave mentioned
earlier, our mission in the rules and regs promulgated by
Congress are for us to protect human health and the
environment. That's what those alternatives address.
Get the DNAPL and the dissolved PCE out of
the ground for future use of that groundwater. That's what
we're trying to do, mitigate risks and get rid of the
contamination.
That's what those alternatives revolve
around.
MR. STROBEL: Well, does they got all
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them wells poked in out there come in on that -- what you
just said?
MR. FIELD: They're all -- all the
monitoring wells are continually monitored, and they will
be continued monitoring after the installation of any of
the remedial actions until we're sure that the PCEs
transmissive is declining, that the remedial action that's
put in place is actually working.
MR. STROBEL: We've had the discussion
several times, and I can't pin it on any one person, but
we've had the discussion several times that an ideal
situation was put public water in and plug every ground --
every one of them wells shut to make sure that it doesn't
get into New Haven's water.
Now, that -- that don't fall in there
anywhere in what you're talking about either, the safety
and making it all better?
MR. FIELD: That's a comment you can
provide.
MR. STROBEL: Well, I'm on the record
now, ain't I,
MR. FIELD: We'll respond to it in the
Responsiveness Record.
MR, HOEFER: Keith, by public water, do
you mean the Rural Water District? What are our options?
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Our options are the city -- the city has no obligation.
MR. STROBEL: Still the city even in
good faith, would be a damn good start as opposed to
telling them you're going to work with them or whatever,
and then stab us in the back with a $300,000 bill from
Kellwood's --or Kellwood's dump that when they were done
with it, they said here, city, you can have that. Oh,
yeah, and you might get a bill down the road for
contamination.
MR, HOEFER: With regard to the public
water, what are you referring to, Keith?
MR. STROBEL: Well, either drill a well
or --
MR. HOEFER: You talking about Rural --
the Rural Water District or --
MR. STROBEL: Rural water or else just
work with the city. I'd like to see you work with the city
of New Haven, but with my discussions with the board and
the administrator and those, it don't seem that there's no
fruit come to bear off of when they do get together.
MR. HOEFER: That's my understanding.
It's -- you were given some information on the Rural Water
District. If you want to consider that and provide a
comment based on that information, I mean, I think that
will inform, you know, the comment. You're welcome to do
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that. We encourage that.
If you want to provide a comment regarding
the city, again, you know, the city has not li- -- they
have no responsibility for that. They're not required to
provide water. There's nothing we can do about that. We
can't compel that. You know, we can ask Kellwood to talk
to them, and they have talked to them, and that's as much
as we are able to do.
MR. STROBEL: No, it ain't. You
could --
MR. HOEFER: It is.
MR. STROBEL: No, it ain't. You can
look at Kellwood and say our idea for remedying this mess
is to get rid of all them wells out there, grout them all
full. We don't want it going down to 400 feet and screwing
up New Haven any more than they already done.
MR. HOEFER: I have certain legal
constraints set forth by the superfund statute, and we are
following those requirements, Keith.
MR. STROBEL: Okay.
MR. HOEFER: Absolutely, we are.
MR. LAUNE: So the comments we make
tonight are not part of the public comment? We have --
MR. FIELD: They are. That's why we
have -- that's why we have a court reporter here.
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MR. LAUNE: Okay. Well, I just heard
you say, Keith, if you want to make a public comment, to
submit it. I mean, we've been talking about the public
water district.
MR. HOEFER: I guess what I'm
suggesting is that people read the material given out
because --
MR. LAUNE: I was just making clear
that whatever was said tonight would be --
MR. HOEFER: Everything that is said
here tonight, the e-mails that you sent to us that you
identify as being public comments are all placed in the
record, and will be responded to in the responsiveness
summary when we issue the ROD.
MR. LAUNE: Now, we don't have -- we
don't have any other comments to be made after our comments
have been addressed and you come out with your final plan?
I mean, once you come up with the final plan, is that set?
MR. HOEFER: We're required by law to
consider the comments received by the state and received
from the state and from the community, and we also have the
responsibility to issue a Record of Decision on the
selecting of remedy. And that formally closes the comment
period.
MR. LAUNE: So we don't know if any of
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our comments have been addressed at all until you come up
with the Record of Decision?
MR. HOEFER: Yes. We issue a ROD and
Responsiveness Summary that addresses comments. So until
the ROD is issued, we don't necessarily -- if you want to
continue to talk to Jeff about some of these items and try
to work some of these things through, that's fine. You
know, we're agreeable to doing that. The public comment
period is open until October 4th or so.
You know, we are committed to doing that,
but we have to move forward with the remedy here. So we'll
take into consideration all the comments that are put on
record, and we'll make a decision. I'm sorry.
MR. DUVALL: Tom Duvall. D-U-V-A-L-L.
You guys were talking about the plume a while ago, you
know, and like Kent's house running it through a filtration
system that actually would reverse the process.
Couldn't one of the remedies be that where
we know these plumes are at instead of running into a house
and another filtration system, we can dump it out of the
area to help eliminate that? You talked about his levels
may be dropping at some point to where he can drink that
water again without a filtration system.
It seems to me you're -- you're saying that
there is a possibility that type of filtration system will
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pull enough of the contaminant out to make that water good
again.
MR. KEIFER: How long is the question?
MR. DUVALL: Yeah.
MR. FIELD: It works. We've seen it
work in time.
MR. KEIFER: Right,
MR, DUVALL: Yeah, but why can't that
be part of the remedy I guess is my question. Why does it
have to be through a house that --
MR. KEIFER: You mean the treatment
system?
MR. DUVALL: Yeah.
MR. KEIFER: Yeah, there's other
possible things that are going to affect that, what to do
with the water. My comment is more a matter of with the
treatment system on there, you using the water, you're
actually treating the groundwater plume.
MR. DUVALL: Yeah, I understand.
MR. KEIFER: But you're right. You
could use it for other purposes or for discharging to the
surface in the same.
MR. FIELD: I think you're talking
about placing filtration on a house, maybe putting it on
the well head?
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MR, DUVALL: Yes.
MR. FIELD: Oh, yeah, absolutely, it's
an option.
MR. DUVALL: Maybe in especially like
maybe in the 0U2 case where those wells are sitting out
there and if there is a plume just down there, then pull it
out and tear it out and drain it.
MR. FIELD: That is an option.
However, in the presentation I mentioned a point of
diminishing return in DNAPL recovery and chem ox. I mean
that is an option that probably can work, but for how long
we don't really know how long that will be effective of
that fractured bedrock and everything like that down there.
That is something --
MR. DUVALL: I mean, I have a
filtration system in my house too, probably one of the
first ones. My first concern with that was the health risk
to my kids or the family.
Secondly, the money of course, and I share
the same concerns you guys do, with what's my property
worth. What do we do in the future.
MR. FIELD: You're on the end of Boeuf
Lutheran Road, correct?
MR. DUVALL: Yeah.
MR. FIELD: All right. The expectation
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is that the groundwater remediation in this alternative
will put a line. The two most effective ways to do this is
the dissolved PCE can be treated as it moves southward
toward your area.
MR, DUVALL: I'm right -- I'm just past
the first house south of the Fulton 2.
MR, FIELD: All right. So and that
transmissive well would go just a little bit south of the
industrial area there. And that would go move southward.
With the intent to deal with the dissolved phase unlike
chem ox on the DNAPL site and deal with DNAPL.
So we have DNAPL or pure the dissolved phase
PCE and we have to deal with that. And all the monitoring
wells that we have installed would again monitor the effect
of how many times that can be treated.
But that is a good comment. That should be
included in the responses
Anything else? Yes, ma'am.
MS. STOVER: Patricia Stover. My
questions may seem kind of stupid.
I wondered if a Lang- -- is Langenburg
completely off the charts now? We don't have any
contamination there to be concerned about in the city of
New Haven?
MR. FIELD: The -- there has been a
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hat factory.
Yeah, uh-huh.
That you're referring to.
Operable Unit 5. And part of the remedy was to continually
monitor that groundwater that's
hat factory, --
MS, STOVER:
MR. FIELD:
traced all the way up to 0U4,
MS. STOVER:
MR. FIELD:
MS. STOVER:
MR. FIELD:
church.
MS. STOVER:
MR. FIELD:
we believe contributed to that.
monitoring that as it moves off
moving under the -- the old
Facility, yeah.
-- which we now believe is
Okay.
And where is 0U4?
Up at the Main Lane area.
In the main what?
The Maiden Lane up by the
Okay, Uh-huh,
So that's the source that
But we're continually
down towards the Missouri
River, So there's no risk to residents or for vapor
intrusion and things like that
MS, STOVER:
you to say that when the water
difference in the contamination
depending on the water level,
MR, FIELD:
in that area.
Okay, And I understood
level changes, there's
or lack of contamination
Yes, ma'am.
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MS, STOVER: Is that correct?
MR, FIELD: That's a big influence on
the water,
MS, STOVER: And so that would be -- I
live in the city, and that would be for the wells that feed
the city also? Those contaminations or lack of
contaminations would be changed by the amount of
groundwater that seaps down in there? e
MR. FIELD: The wells in the city are
very, very deep wells. The impact that I was describing
earlier, doesn't impact those deep wells,
MS, STOVER: Okay,
MR, FIELD: The point of impact of
contamination in the very shallow level where you have the
infiltration from rain getting in and going through the
overburden into that rock, and that's what we're seeing
coming out in the stream.
The city well 3 and city well 4 --
MS, STOVER: Which are where?
MR, FIELD: One is -- actually one is
on north of 0U2, which is city well 3, and then city well 4
is north of Highway 100 up -- going up towards New Haven,
I'm not sure of the exact location leaking from --
MS, STOVER: Oh,
MR. FIELD: -- exactly where they're
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located.
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looking for a map, I can do map
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entire system.
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like to know what the f
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Well 3 is on Industrial
Oh, okay. Yeah, okay.
Well 3 is here.
Yeah, and that feeds what?
Both of them feed the
That's scarry.
Well, they pump different.
And then the other one is
South?
No, north.
Up on Melrose?
Where it only comes out
the maps.)
Okay, Let's see. Oh, in
if I should decide on that, because
, my water is bitter, and I would
iltration system -- what would be
you see all kinds from $19 to two
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I'm talking just for my cup
ds -- my grand kids coming
over for Kool-Aid, which I'm not, you know, I'm not into
this big 15-acre, 40-acres --
MR. FIELD: There's different types of
filtration systems for different things. The different
systems for turbidity or cloudiness or total dissolved
solvents, and then different ones for proving PCE which is
regulated carbon.
MS, STOVER:
MR, FIELD:
you said your water is bitter.
anybody have an ideas on --
MR, GORDAY:
water?
MS. STOVER:
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cloudy too, so you don't know.
device to get rid of the --
MR, HOEFER:
Yeah,
Not knowing exactly what --
I don't know actually does
Ma'am, are you on public
Yes,
Right, But it might be
So you want a point of use
Patricia, you should have
no concerns about the contamination that we're talking
about --
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Okay,
Right,
-- in municipal water.
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STOVER: Or bacterial
FIELD: Well, the city is required
Water Act to monitor their water --
STOVER: Okay. All right.
FIELD: -- on a fixed schedule.
STOVER: Okay.
FIELD: And what they're supposed
to monitor for are primary --we have primary contaminants
such as NPLs and a whol e slew of other things like
pesticides and metals that they test for. And they're
continually tested on those, and they're required to do
that under the Safe Drinking Water Act.
And those results should be supplied to you
yearly with a consumer
MS.
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confidence report.
STOVER: Yeah.
FIELD: And that tells you any
exceedences that occurred during that reporting period, and
if there were exceedenc
those exceedences.
es, what they did to mitigate any of
So if anything is in the water line that
would have been detected by the sampling, and the analysis
of it.
MS.
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STOVER: Uh-huh.
FIELD: So it might not be the
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water itself. It could be something in the plumbing if you
have real old plumbing.
MS. STOVER: I don't consider it very
old.
MR. FIELD: Okay. Okay.
MS. STOVER: It probably is old. I
just -- it just recently got bitter, and I've already had
muddy water. So you know --
MR. FIELD: Interesting.
MS. STOVER: Anyway, down the filters.
MR. FIELD: Correct.
MS. STOVER: I'm not going to tear up
my --
MR. FIELD: There are sediment filters
that you can put on like on your kitchen faucet.
underneath. Have somebody install one of those. Those act
really well.
MS. STOVER: Yeah, I thought under the
sink. So yeah, that would work better.
MR, FIELD: And you can buy those off
the shelf from like Lowe's or Home Depot,
MS, STOVER: Yeah, Well, that's what I
wondered what -- how powerful. Do I want to spend $250, or
is $19 going to do the job, you know.
MR, FIELD: Yeah, and again it goes on
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type of filter, and it will be a sediment filter I would
think and maybe a carbon filter because those really work
in getting any kind of impurities out. And those aren't
very expensive at all, I think you can probably put a
system in for a reasonable price of not -- nothing much,
MS, STOVER: And the danger is there
with the filtration, I heard somebody say or maybe I
misunderstood them, that they didn't want to use the
filtration system. And why would that be? Because it runs
on electric or what? I mean, what would be -- what would
be --
MR, FIELD: It runs on demand,
MS, STOVER: Yeah, that's what I
thought,
MR, FIELD: So when you turn the faucet
on, the pump kicks on, and the water goes through the
filtration system.
MS. STOVER: Well, why would somebody
make a comment that they were fearful of it? That's what
I'm asking you because I -- I don't have any idea.
MR. FIELD: One of the things that can
occur and it's based on the levels that are in the
groundwater. Based on your usage of water, the amount of
contaminants going in can foul the filter over time.
MS. STOVER: Okay.
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MR. FIELD: Okay. That's why we
require the scheduled monitoring on a quarterly basis, to
make sure that, what we call break-through, is not
occurring,
MS, STOVER: Okay,
MR, FIELD: Okay, In your instance, if
it's sediment or taste in the filters that you were to put
in place, you would notice a significant drop in pressure
because the filters would be fouled with sand or sediment
or whatever might be in the pipes. Then that would be the
time at which you would change the filters out.
MS. STOVER: Well, it's just recently
it's cloudy. The water is cloudy and it's bitter, and
that's a new thing. So that concerned me because I've got
a two-year-old there and some other kids there.
MR. FIELD: All right. Okay.
Personally I would call the city and talk to them and see
if there's been anything, any activity in the line.
MS. STOVER: Okay.
MR. FIELD: Air got in the line and
causes what looks like cloudiness, and actually it's just
oxygen. It's very small bubbles,
MS, STOVER: No, it settles in the
bottom of the glass,
MR, FIELD: Okay, You might want to
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talk to the city to see what kind of advice they would
offer.
MS. STOVER: Okay.
MR, FIELD: But you can buy filters
from Lowe's or Home Depot.
MS, STOVER: Okay,
MR, GATZEMEYER: I'd like to make one
comment. My name is Julius Gatzemeyer.
G-A-T-Z-E-M-E-Y-E-R.
She was making a comment about putting a
filter, the type filter in. One thing you want to be
careful with filters, if the filters aren't changed
regularly, you can create a contaminant situation.
MS. STOVER: Well, that's what I asked
about the --
MR. GATZEMEYER: If you don't change
them regularly, it can build up a bacteria, and it can be
worse than what you've got right now.
MR, FIELD: Right,
MR, GATZEMEYER: So just be aware of
that situation if you do install it.
MR, FIELD: There's no panacea really I
mean, when you try to treat something, something always
kind of comes around and the bacteria can build up in
there. And again, that's when you would notice a pressure
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drop. That's when you would immediately change those types
of filters, the sediment filter or the trap to try to
mitigate any of those potential risks.
MS. STOVER: Thank you.
MR. FIELD: You're welcome. Anybody
else?
MS. PIERCE: Beleda Pierce. It's
B-E-L-E-D-A, and my last name is Pierce. P-I-E-R-C-E,
And my question is on the injection of the
chemical oxidation, I don't quite understand that. Is
there any harm or hazard that we'd have to be concerned
about from that treatment?
MR. FIELD: The chemical oxidation,
whether it's sodium permanganate or potassium permanganate
or whatever is going to be used to deal with the PCE, the
only risk involved is risk to the handlers or the workers
that are injecting it or mixing it, putting it in the
ground.
The minute it comes in contact with
oxidizable material like PCE or TCE, it immediately is
destroyed or it destroys the PCE. But it's no -- as the
PCE or the chem ox material moves through the groundwater,
it destroys the PCEs. And as it moves from that, it slowly
dissolves and becomes infected because the component that
kills or destroys it is gone. So that's where the need for
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additional injections will come in afterward and kill it
again, then kill it again as it goes along.
So there will be a need for additional or
multiple injections, but there's no risk in the sense that
it's not going to show up in your well or a lot of it has
to do with the amount that's put in or the pressure added
to it to put it into the ground. All that will be worked
out critically if this were to turn into a remedial design
component.
I mean, this is just what we're thinking of
doing, and then if this were to go through, this gentlemen
would sit down with engineers and design it appropriately
to deal with the situation in the bedrock and then develop
it,
MS. PIERCE: Okay.
MR. FIELD: Any more questions or
comments? Okay. I guess we'll just go ahead and close it
out.
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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
STATE OF MISSOURI )
) SS:
COUNTY OF JEFFERSON )
I, PATSY A. HERTWECK, Professional Court
Reporter within and for the State of Missouri, the officer
before whom the foregoing public hearing was taken, do
hereby certify that the hearing aforementioned was held at
the time and in the place previously described.
hand and seal
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my
Patsy A. Hertweck, C. C, R,
MO CCR 1276(T)
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choice 47:6
Choose
59:22 CHURCH
1:16 85:14
Circuit 39:16,24 40:3
citizenry 4:7
City
9:3 12:10 29:12,17,23 30:1,2,8,10,
11 32:15,16, 25 33:4 35:10,11 36:6,7,18 38:13 39:1 44:16 46:24 53:22 60:22 61:17 64:21
67:14 72:14, 22 75:8,20,21 76:1,7 78:1, 2,7,17 79:3 84:23 86:5,6, 9,18,21 89:3 92:17 93:1
city's 35:14,17
claiming 71:6
classified 24:10,13
Claus 50:21
clean 10:18 65:22 ^ ^ \ /^ >-i 1 ^N
69:9 71: 9 73:2,3 cleaned
70 :5 cleaner
46:24
clear 80:8
Clem 27:14
clerk 39:24 40:3
close 38:14 95:17
closes 53:17 80:23
cloudiness 88:7 92:21
cloudy 88:18 92:13
COC 22:12,16,23
COCs 11:1 12:16,19 13:1,12 23:18
Code 16:18
collected 5:8 12:25 15:24
come 21:22 27:5,8 30:7 33:11 34:4 40:20,22
47:7 51:20 55:12,15 57:8,9 59:25 62:7 77:1 78:20 80:17, 18 81:1 95:1
comes
19:18 39:20 74:5 87:18 93:24 94:19
comfort 70:3 71:12
comfortable 18:2
coming 9:21 13:3 40:16 55:3 86:17 88:2
comment 4:19 6:1 19:18 23:24 25:2 30:22
31:1135:22 36:21 54:18, 19,21 55:22
56:5,7,25 59:16 74:20 77:18 78:24, 25 79:2,23 80:2,23 81:8 82:16 84:16 91:19 93:8,10
commented 55:2 74:21
COMMENTS 2:5 4:24 5:2
25:4,16,17, 19 53:15 54:12,22 55:5 58:17,18 59:13,24 60:5,8,10 79:22 80:12, 16,20 81:1,4, 12 95:17
commercial 14:20
commercial/i
ndustrial 14:12
commit 28:5
committed 50:4 81:10
community 19:17,19 24:25 33:9 56:13 80:21
COMPANY 3:17 27:23 39:9 53:3,8
compare 19:25
comparisons 15:23
compel 35:10 36:8 44:16 59:2 61:14,18 79:6
compensation 34 :1 compiled 16:11
complaining 53:10
completed 13:22 31:21 67:22
completely 84:22
complex 8:511:22
compliance 17:4
compliant 24:15 30:23
complicating 73:22
component 20:11,17 23:1,4 37:22
55:21 94:24 95:9
components 25:15
concentratio
n 13:9,14 23:17
concentratio
ns 22:16
concern 10:21 13:16 36:2 83:17
concerned 33:18 34:12
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8 4 : 2 3 8 7 : 2 3 9 2 : 1 4 9 4 : 1 1
c o n c e r n s 5 3 : 1 9 6 1 : 2 8 3 : 2 0 8 8 : 2 1
c o n c l u d e d 9 5 : 2 0
c o n c l u s i o n 1 7 : 2 2
c o n c l u s i o n s 1 4 : 8
c o n c u r r e n c e 2 4 : 2 0 , 2 2
c o n d u c t
53 : 9
c o n d u c t e d 6 : 1 6 1 0 : 2 2 3 : 1 7
c o n d u c t i n g
7 : 2 0
c o n d u i t
12 : 1 4 c o n d u i t s
2 2 : 6
c o n f i d e n c e 8 9 : 1 5
c o n f r o n t e d 4 7 : 8
C o n g r e s s 7 6 : 1 7
CONNECTION 9 5 : 2 3
c o n n e c t i v i t y 9 : 4
c o n s e n t
23 :2
c o n s i d e r 3 2 : 2 4 3 : 1 2 4 6 : 6 5 1 : 2 2 5 2 : 2 5 9 : 4 6 0 : 8 7 8 : 2 3
8 0 : 2 0 9 0 : 3
c o n s i d e r a t i o
T l
8 1 : 1 2
c o n s i d e r a t i o
n s 4 4 : 1 9
c o n s i d e r e d 1 4 : 2 3 3 : 2 1 3 4 : 1 3 3 6 : 1 4 6 7 : 5 , 1 0 7 1 : 9
c o n s i d e r s 1 3 : 2 3
c o n s i s t 2 3 : 6
c o n s i s t e d 9 : 1 4
c o n s i s t s 2 1 : 1 2
c o n s t i t u e n t s 9 : 2 5 1 1 : 2 3
c o n s t r a i n t s 7 9 : 1 8
c o n s t r u c t e d 2 6 : 1 5 6 6 : 2 4 7 1 : 1
c o n s t r u c t i o n 1 2 : 1 5 2 3 : 7 , 1 4
c o n s u l t a n t 5 3 : 1
c o n s u m e r 8 9 : 1 5
c o n t a c t
1 4 : 1 7 4 1 : 1 7 9 4 : 1 9
c o n t a c t e d 3 9 : 1 8 4 3 : 1 3
c o n t a i n e d 1 3 : 1 1
c o n t a i n m e n t
1 8 : 4
c o n t a i n s 8 : 4
c o n t e u n i n a n t 1 7 : 1 0 8 2 : 1 9 3 : 1 3
c o n t e u n i n a n t s 8 : 5 1 3 : 2 2 1 8 : 2 0 , 2 5 8 9 : 9 9 1 : 2 4
c o n t E u n i n a t e d 6 : 1 8 1 6 : 1 5 2 2 : 2 3 3 8 : 1 4 2 : 1 1 6 2 : 1 6 , 17 6 5 : 2 3 , 2 4 , 25 6 7 : 1 0 , 1 8 7 4 : 8
c o n t a m i n a t i o
n 8 : 2 0 1 0 : 2 0 2 2 : 3 2 8 : 7 4 0 : 1 4 4 1 : 1 9 , 2 0 , 2 4 4 3 : 1 2 4 5 : 8 4 6 : 1 1
4 7 : 1 5 5 2 : 7
6 2 : 1 9 6 3 : 2 3 6 6 : 4 , 8 , 1 0 , 1 1 , 2 3 7 0 : 1 5 , 2 5 7 1 : 1 , 3 7 2 : 2 0 7 3 : 7 7 6 : 2 2 7 8 : 9 8 4 : 2 3 8 5 : 2 3 8 6 : 1 4 8 8 : 2 1
8 9 : 2
c o n t a m i n a t i o
n s 8 6 : 6 , 7
C o n t i n g e n c y 2 3 : 2 2 3 6 : 1
c o n t i n u a l l y 7 7 : 4 8 5 : 4 , 1 7 89 : 1 2
c o n t i n u e
2 1 : 1 3 , 1 8 2 2 : 1 6 3 7 : 2 5 3 8 : 2 4 2 : 4 5 8 : 6 6 6 : 1 9
6 9 : 7 7 1 : 1 3 8 1 : 6 c o n t i n u e d 2 1 : 1 8 7 7 : 5
c o n t i n u i n g 5 3 : 2 1 6 7 : 2 6 8 : 2 4
c o n t r i b u t e d 4 5 : 8 8 5 : 1 7
c o n t r o l 7 5 : 1 7
c o n t r o l l e d 1 6 : 2 5
c o n t r o l s 1 7 : 1 1 8 : 4 , 5 2 0 : 3 , 9 , 1 4 , 2 0 2 1 : 4 , 9 2 3 : 6
c o n v e r s a t i o n 3 7 : 1 0
c o n v e r s a t i o n
s 5 7 : 2 3
C o o r d i n a t o r 3 : 7
c o p i e s 6 : 9 2 5 : 1 1 3 9 : 1 2
c o p y 5 6 : 2 3
c o r e 9 : 1 6 1 1 : 1 1 , 1 2
c o r e d 1 2 : 5
c o r i n g 9 : 1 4
c o r r e c t 2 8 : 2 1 5 2 : 4
5 6 : 1 1 5 8 : 1 5 6 2 : 2 4 7 0 : 2 4 8 3 : 2 3 8 6 : 1 9 0 : 1 1
c o s t
1 9 : 1 5 2 7 : 1 9 , 2 0 , 2 3 2 8 : 1 6 , 17 3 0 : 2 2
3 4 : 1 8 3 5 : 1 9 , 20 4 4 : 2 0 , 2 4 4 5 : 1 9 4 8 : 5 , 6 4 9 : 1 1 5 0 : 1 , 2 , 7 5 2 : 1 3 5 3 : 5 5 9 : 4
c o s t -
e f f e c t i v e
2 4 : 3 c o s t s 3 4 : 2 1 4 5 : 2
c o s t - w i s e 2 1 : 2 3
C o t t e r 1 2 : 3 , 9
c o u l d n ' t 1 8 : 1 2 , 1 3 6 8 : 1 3 8 1 : 1 8
COUNTY
9 6 : 4 c o u p l e 5 : 1 3 4 5 : 1 1
4 9 : 2 3 5 7 : 1 8
6 0 : 1 1
c o u r s e
4 : 2 3 8 : 2 3 2 3 : 1 6 2 4 : 2 5 6 7 : 1 4 8 3 : 1 9
c o u r t 4 : 1 6 2 6 : 1 3 9 : 1 4 , 2 4 4 0 : 3 5 4 : 4 , 5 7 9 : 2 5 9 6 : 6
c o v e n a n t s
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14:23
create 93:13
Creek 6:25 9:22 12:7 13:4 41:21,23 72:13,17 73:7,8
criteria 1 13:9 16:9,17, 20,21 17:3,18
18:15 19:2 24:16 58:25
critical 8:12 9:3,10
critically 95:8 crossing 13:8
CSR 23:7
cubic 13:14
cup 88:1 currently 7:8 28:2 41:24
cut
34 : 5 D
p 2:14:1 deunn
44 :6 50:9 78:3
Dan 3:14 4:13
danger 91:6
data 5:8 9:9 12:25 13:5 16:10 43:14 67:24
68:7 70:1 date 48:11 95:24
Dave 38:7 42:23
76:15
David 3:6 5:16 26:24 31:24
David's 52:11
day 36:22 37:11 47:4 55:14 61:1
days 31:1
deal 16:14 30:6 38:13 43:21 68:17 84:10, 11,13 94:15 95:13
dealing 4:8 8:5 21:11
deals 63 : 6
dealt 66:14
DeAndre 3:4 5:15
decide 68:4 87:22
decision
25:3,6,8 44:22 80:22 81:2,13
decisions
14:4
declining 77:7
deep 15:12 86:10, 11
deeper 12:15 66:12 67:12
defects 12:22
defer 26:22
define
7:25 10:12, 18,19 13:19 defined 11:8
defining 11:22
degree 18:18
delves 25:14
demand 91:12
dense 9:11
depending 85:24
deposits 12:1
Depot 90:21 93:5
depths 11:14
described 23:7 96:10
describing 86:10
design 7:9 22:14 95:8,12
designated 63:10,11
designation 23:8,15 26:10,14
designing 7:9
destroyed 94:21 95:24
destroys 94:21,23,25
detected 10-5 11-10. 1 3 , 1 9 1 2 : 2 , 1 , 9,13 72:16 89:22
detecting 11:11
detection 10:13,14 15:25 72:7
detections 9:21 10:4 12:19
develop 34:6 95:13
developed 54:22 70:22
developers 34:1
development 16:12,13 48:4 59:4
device 88:19
devices 47:16
Diane
5:15
Dianna 3:7 5:16 25:17 56:12
dichlorethyl
ene 10:23
didn't 36:15 47:22 50:10 54:9,20 57:3 58:10 60:4 61:24 63:19 69:18 73:6 74:8
91:8 difference
45:22 49:14 85:23 different 9:4 14:13 16:9 20:25 32:5 34:12 46:17 52:13 53:13 87:12 88:5,6,8
differential 52:10
difficult 19:8
diffuse 22:8
dig 18:12 49:6 58:12 64:15
dime 50:9 54:9
diminishing 21:22 22:18 83:10
directly
66:17 direct-push
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8:17
discharging 82:21
discovered
5:23
discovery 5:21 7:4
discuss 5:1136:12 71:22
discussed 5:25 32:25
discussing 57:11
discussion 4:20 30:19 70:18 77:9,11
discussions 78:18
dismissed 38:20
dissolved 11:17 76:19 84:3,10,12 88:7
dissolves 94:24
distribution 8:7 10:24 11:1,10 12:16
13:1,12 district
33:2,4 36:11, 19 39:3,9,11, 23 44:18 45:20 58:22 77:25 78:15, 23 80:4
DNAPL 11:10,16 15:2
18:8 19:13 20:1,2,7,14,
18 21:3,8,13, 15,18 22:1
24:10,11,12 76:19 83:10 84:11,12
DNR 31:25
document 34:3
documentatio
n
65:21 doesn't
14:23 16:8 46:5,17,18
53:24 65:10 71:2 73:23 77:13 86:11 _i _ e _
doing 42:12 43:3 44:3 51:18,19 55:19 56:5 58:19 66:3 67:23 70:9 81:8,10 95:11
dollars 45:14 53:9 88:1
Dolomite 12:3,9,10
Don 31:24
Doug 38:19
Douglas 87:19
down 4:21 6:10,24 8:18,19 11:4, 5,9,25 12:5, 14,15 26:19 ^^ ^ ^ ' ^ F ^ \ ^\
29:3 39:7,20
41:144:6 48:9 57:6
61:15,18 63:14 64:7 65:12 66:16 67:4,5,8,12 70:19 71:24 72:23 73:17 74:12 78:8
79:15 83:6,13 85:18 86:8 90:10 95:12
downgradient 22:12
dragging 60:21
drain 83:7
draw-down 9:5
drill 26:8 27:4,5 32:16 69:21 78:12 drilled 9:17 72:3
driller 69:22
Drilling 27:5
drink 81:22
drinking 14:19 30:14 37:25 71:22 89:4,13
Drive 8:18 11:5 87:5
driven 15:11 drives
14:9
drop 39:20 92:8 94:1
dropping 81:22
dug 26:20
dump 78:6 81:20
during 4:19,22 5:8 89:18
Duvall 2:118:11 81:14 82:4,8, 13,19 83:1,4, 15,24 84:5
D-U-V-A-L-L 81 • 14 O ^ • ^ ^
E
E 2:1 3:1 4:1 86:8
each 18:16 72:15
ear 61:9
earlier 9:20 10:4 11:21 76:16 86:11
early 39:6
earthquake
40:19 42:14 easily 19:12
Easley 5:15
east
10:1152:3 72:17
easy 19:7
eco 13:5
ecological 13:5
effect 43:5 84:14
effective 83:12 84:2
effectively 22:16
effectivenes
s 17:19 19:3 22:21
efforts 22:1
eight 43:9
either 45:20 69:21 77:16 78:12
electric 91:10
electrical 19:10
element 24:8
elements 34 :11
eliminate 63:18,20 81:21
eliminated 16:25
25:17,18 31:12,23
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36:23 37:2,4 58:13
e-mails 57:18 60:6 74:25 80:11
encourage 79:1
end 8:10 17:25 21:16 27:14
83:22 ended
30:7
engage 29:6
Engemann 3:14 4:13
ENGINEERING 3:15 17:1
engineers 39:7 46:10 95:12
enhanced
18:23 19:9 enough
31:7 66:11 67:4 82:1
entering 9:9
entire 87:10
environment 16:22 24:2 34:25 36:4 59:11 76:18
ENVIRONMENTA
L 1:1 3:3 14:23
EPA 4:5 11:2 13:23 15:25
16:1 17:9
21:10 26:25 31:23 45:1 46:10 52:12, 25 53:5,14,15 76:14
EPA'S 4:7 5:11 36:2
error 57:14 58:14
errors 4:22
especially
83 :4 essentially 45:14 66:3,19
67:1 69:15,20 established 16:18 22:14
Estates
7:1 13:4 41:21,23
et 59:3
evaluate 22:20
evaluated 16:17
evaluates
13:21
Evan 3:10 4:11
62:24 63:9 70:17,23 71:14,19,20
evening 4 :3
event 42:13
events 18:13
everybody 6:6 29:25 30:8 40:7 44:1 47:14 55:17 56:3 60:19 75:10
everybody's 5:17 42:15
exact 37:3 86:23
exactly 58:13 74:21
86:25 88:11
example 17:8 18:8 19:9
exeunples 52:17
exceed 14:16 15:1,6, 25
exceedences 89:18,19,20
exceeds 13:25 14:6
exception 13:13
excess 13:24 14:1,10
exfiltration 12:23
exhausted 22:1
exist 14:6
existing 21:13 22:5 34:15 35:9,18 36:5 37:23
exists 9:12 15:9
exited 12:24
expect 21:25 43 :18
expectation 42:7 83:25
expectations 43:1 53:12
expected 76:13,14
expense 27-16 23.24 28:3
. expensive 27:16,17 28-21 59-1 91:4
experience 43:10 47:13 56:18
expert 56 :13
explains 39:25
explanation 24:8
explored 63:8
exposed 73:20
exposure 13:25 16:5
exposures 13:21 extend 32:10
extended 6:2,3,6 61:18
extensive 12:18 25:12 72:19
extent 7:15 8:1,2 10:19 11:3 24:5 72:5,7, 15,20
extra 28:18
extract 21:23,24
extraction 18:23 19:9
extraordinar
ily 59:1
F
faces 5:18
facilitator 38:14,15
facility 6:14,20 7:17 10:811:6,7, 13 15:3,16,20 20:19 21:17 41:20 85:7
fact
47:9 52:20 53:23 54:25 62:18 66:25
factory 85:1,6
facts 53 :10
fairly 72:25
faith 78:3
fall 24:16 77:15
falls 26:13
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familiar
5:19
family
64:9,12,16 83:18
far
8:10 33:18 41:22 49:13 50:3 52:6 74:22 87:23
farm
26:11
farmed 6:17
farmer
65:10
faucet
90:15 91:15
fault 28:18 35:12,
15,17 40:19
faulting 8:4
fearful
91:19
feasibility
5:10 6:8
16:12,13
19:21 54:18
55:1 56:7 59:8,10
feasible 39:145:21
Federal
16:18 17:6
feed 86:5 87:9
feedback 30:21
feeds 74:12 87:8
feel 6:10 61:11
feeling 43:22
feet 11:14 60:21
65:5 79:15
fellows 28:10
FIELD 2:4 3:5 4:3,4 5:3 6:5 23:13 24:24 25:23,
25 26:9,13,22 37:10,17,22
38:4,7 39:8,
13 40:10
41:4,8,13,17 42:16,22 43:8 54:12 57:12 58:4,12 59:9,
15,19 62:24 63:7 70:3,8, 16 71:8,16,25 72:21 73:9,
12,15,19
74:2,5,9 75:2,12,15, 20,23 76:15 77:3,18,22
79:24 82:5,23 83:2,8,22,25
84:7,25 85:3, 8,11,13,16,
25 86:2,9,13,
20,25 87:12
88:5,11,17, 24 89:3,6,8, 17,25 90:5,9, 11 14.20,25 91:12,15,21 92:1,6,16,
20,2593:4,
19,22 94:5,13
95:16
figures 72:4
file
25:9 53:15
filter
61:21 62:4,8, 10,11,12,13, 14 91:1,2,24 93:11 94:2
filters
33:12,16
36:22 47:20
90:10,14
92:7,9,11
93:4,12 94:2
filtration
29:9,11 31:20,22 32:3 33:19 37:18 40:23 41:11,
25 44:9,14 46:15,20,23 47:16 48:14 49:2 50:7
52:20 60:19,
25 66:6,15 74:22 75:8 81:16,20,23, 25 82:24 83:16 87:22, 24 88:6 91:7, 9,17
final
80:17,18
finaiization
54:23
find
10:7,19 11:16 42:11 68:13 69:9 73:6
finder 71:4
August 10, 2010
fine 51:19 58:6
75:2 81:7
finish
51:24 52:1
finished
5:1 55:5
firm 29:3
first 6:3 7:13
16:21 52:20 60:24 83:17
84:6
fit 58:25
five
7:12 11:10
60:11,17
fixed
42:20 89:6
flow 11:22,23 74:11
focused
8:6
folks
53:18 68:17
follow
25:3 27:8 34:16 44:20 54:17 56:20 57:14
followed
20:2,7 54:24 55:1 58:10
following
53:2 79:19
foot
65:6
foregoing
105
96:8
formally 80:23
Formation
12:10 39:22
formations 9:5 12:11,15 13:3
formed
40:1
former
6:13 7:16 10:8 11:7,12
15:3,15,20 21:17 41:20
forth
54:10 57:18 79:18
Forty-two
7:21
forward 53:14,16 68:4
69:7 81:11
foul 91:24
fouled 92:9
found
11:24
four
11:20,24 71:17 72:9
75:11
fourth
8:25
fractured 8:4 9:13
11:21 18:9
83 :13
fractures
22:7 74:12
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frankly 36:3 46:4 58:24
free 6:10 29:7 53:16 57:24
Friday 52:25
front
5:17 7:6 60:14 72:9
fruit 78:20
frustration 53:11
FS 23:25 24 :19 25:12 53:4
full 35:2 79:15
Fullerson 31:24
fully 43:18
Fulton 84:6
fund 45:6,9,13,17 46:1
funded 46:12
funding 44:25 45:4 46:8
further 10:17 22:15
future 14:14,19 34:2 76:20 83:21
G
G
4:1
gas 15:24
gathered 13:17
GATZEMEYER 93:7,8,16,20
G-A-T-Z-E-M-
E-Y-E-R 93:9
generally 72:16
gentleman 44:21
gentlemen 95:11
geologist
66 :13 getting 52:23 74:24 86:15 91:3
gig 61:3
give 28:25 34:20 40:7 46:23 55:23 56:6 61:12 75:7,10
Given 16:4 17:16 78:22 80:6
glass 92:24
go 4:15 5:5,6,7 6:10 7:22 26:19 28:7 29:2 31:12 39:13 41:1 46:8 47:19 51:25 53:14 55:7 56:17
59:2 63:5
64:24 65:15 66:16 67:13 68:6 69:7
76 :6 84:8,9 95:11,17
goal 7:14 43:25 55:13
goes 27:14 30:22
56:15 73:21 74:11 75:15 90:25 91:16
95:2 going 5:4,7 7:8,22 10:24 11:25 15:3 21:20 27:8 28:17,20 29:18 30:14, 17,25 34:1,4, 5,17 35:3,19, 20,22 36:17 37:15,24 40:20 41:6,7 42:14,24
43:22,23,24 47:9,10 48:3, 5,8,14,20 49:11 50:2, 22,23 52:13 53:14 54:10 55:16,17 56:1,2,3,12 59:2 60:20,22 61:10 62:8 63:17 64:15, 20,21 66:12 67:7,13 68:19 69:11,12,15, 20,24,25 71:20,24 74:23 76:4,6, 9 78:4 79:15
82:15 86:15,
22 90:12,24 91:24 94:15 95:5
gone 43:14 94:25
Good 4:3 12:18 30:20 39:24 40:14 43:21 51:17 55:13
65:20 69:17 75:12 76:10 78:3 82:1
84:16
Gorday 3:19 28:12 43:7 72:4,5 87:7,9,13,16 88:14
G-O-R-D-A-Y 72:6
gotten 53:23 67:21
Grab 61:9
grand 88:2
grant 40:4
Great 24:24 51:6
69 :10 greater 66:2
green 30:14
Greseheimer 33:1
grid 9:16
Gripps'
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group 46:10
grout 79:14
grouted 40:15
guess 21:21 29:20 36:21 47:12 60:4 61:2 73:7 76:10 80:5 82:9 95:17
guidelines 57:15 65:8
guy 26:7
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hand 40:4 68:7 96:13
handed 44:21
handing 40:6,13
handlers 94:16
happen 48:12 65:5
happened 38:18
happening 76:4
happens 67:3
happily 43:23 44:1
happy 5:3 36:13 55:17 56:3
hard 51:15
harm 94:11
hasn't 33:6 71:10
hassle 47:18
hat 85:1,6
HAVEN 1:4,18 32:11 64-17 22 78 -18 79-16 84:24 86:22
Haven•s 26:20 32:25 77:14
haven't 24:19 53:23
hazard 14:25 15:5,17 74:17 94:11
hazardous 14:6 15:4
head 82:25
health 13:6 14:8,10, 25 16:22 24:2 34:25 36:4 42:25 59:11
73:16 76:17 83:17
hear 69:18
heard 27:16 54:22 60:24 80:1 91:7
HEARING 1:10 95:25 96:8,9
heaters 19:11
HRT.n 1:15 96:9
hell 48:8 49:11 71:5
help 41:12 50:21 81:21
her 4:21 25:18
hereby 96:9
herein 9:13
hereunto 96:12
Hertweck 1:22 96:6,16
hey 62:7
HI 14:6,7
high 1 0 : 1 1 15 :24 5 2 : 1 1 60 :14 7 2 : 2 3 73 :20
higher 67:10
HIGHWAY 1:17 6 :24 1 0 : 3 12 :20 52 :4 70 :19 7 1 : 1 5 86 :22
hill 40:17
hire 40:2
historically 28:4
history 7:3 43:19
hit 62:8
Hoefer 3:6 5:16 26:24 27:7,
11,17,20 28:20,23 29:6 30:18 31:2,5, 24 34:10,24 35:4,9,13,16 37:1,5,8 38:10,21,25 39:5 41:18 42:10 43:3,9, 25 44:3,12 45:3,23 46:22 47:12,24 48:10,16,19, 24 49:4,7,12, 22 50:1,11, 14,18,24 51:2,5,8,9 55:11 56:9,21 57:16 58:16 60:2 61:5,13, 17,22 62:3, 15,21 77:24 78:10,14,21 79:11,17,21 80:5,10,19 81:3 88:20,25
hold 18:13
hole 19:13 71:23
holes 9:14,17 11:11,12
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H-O-L-T 65:3
home 47:2 48:23 49:17 66:17 90:21 93:5
homes 15:13 70:5,10
hook 41:13 64:21
hooked 75:24
hooks 29:12
hope 24:20 37:8
hopeful 61:8,10
hopefully 59:24
hoping 61:6,10
horizontal 8:1
hours 33:15
house 31 :22 3 4 : 2 , 5 4 0 : 1 3 4 3 : 1 1 4 4 : 1 1 4 6 : 1 4 , 20 4 7 : 1 4 , 1 5 4 8 : 2 , 2 0 6 2 : 1 2 , 1 3 , 1 4 6 4 : 7 6 5 : 6 , 9 8 1 : 1 6 , 1 9 8 2 : 1 0 , 2 4 83 :16 84 :6
h o u s e s 7 0 : 2 1
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h o w ' s 4 1 : 2
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human 1 4 : 5 16 :22
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hundred
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hypothetical
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79:13 91:20
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ideas 59:18 88:13
identify 80:12
Immediate 7:16
immediately 94:1,20
immense 19:10
impact 10:16 67:14 86:10,11,13
implement 17:24
Implementabi
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implementabi
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implementati
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implemented
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important 9:18 12:8 16:4 19:15
75:14
impracticabl
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impurities 91:3
Inaudible 39:4
incidental 14:16
include 70:9,10
included 9:1 10:1
65:8,22 73:21 84:17
includes 23:18
incremental 27:23 28:3 50:7
index
14:6,10 15:1, 5,17
indicate
22:12
indicated
37:17
indicates
11:3 22:15
indoor
14:18 15:2, 16,21
Industrial 8:18 11:5 15:1 16:2,6 84:9 87:4
inexpensive
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infected 94:24
infiltration
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influence 86:2
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information 6:9 13:17
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24 informed
32:4
ingestion 14:16,19
15:11 74:17
inhalation 14:17 15:2,16
injecting
19:12 94:17
Injection 94:9
injections
95:1,4
input
55:23
inside
71:2,3
install
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installation 8:25 51:22 65:19 68:6
72:1 77:5
installation
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installed
7:21 12:5 21:16 22:19
84:14
installing
53:1
instance 46:14 92:6
Instances
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instead
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instituting
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institutiona
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20:3,9,14,20 21:4,9 23:6
intensive 9:17
intent 7:25 84:10
interact
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interest
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internal
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internet 54:16
interval
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invoking
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involved 37:14 38:21
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76:8 94:16 95:23
involvement 56:13
issue 17:12 43:10 52:8,25 80:14,22 81:3
issued 53:24 81:5
issues 53:18 57:20
items
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57:17 65:18 72:9,14,21 81:6
Jefferson 12:9 96:4
Jim 3:21 39:15
job 37:15 38:16 55:18 90:24
John 3:12 4:10 10:5 69:18 70:23
JS-14 8:9,10 JS-36 8:9,10
Julius 93 :8
July 73:10
June 13:22 just 5:4,20 7:3 13:6 27:4 28:15 31:12 33:8 40:7,16 42:23 44:7,24 45:18 46:5,18 47:9 48:6 50:21 52:17 53:10,11,16, 23 55:3 56:19 59:7,12,15 61:12 67:21 70:3 71:23 73:25 77:2 78:1680:1,8 83:6 84:5,8 88:1 90:7 92:12,21
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keeping 61:3 66:5 1 ^
keeps 37 :12 KEIFER 6:4 23:12 24:21 49:18, 20 63:3,9,19, 22 64:5,8,11, 16,18,23 65:16 68:3, 14,17,23
69:6,11,17 73:13 82:3,7, 11,14,20 87:4
Keith 2:7 26:2 27:1 28:24 30:22 31:25 51:17 52:23 60:8 77:24 78:11 79:19 80:2
Keith's 74:20
KELLWOOD 3:17 6:14
7:1610:8,14 11:13 15:3, 15,20 21:17 23:2 27:23,25 38:17 40:7 41:17,19 42:20 43:1,4, 23 44:6 45:21 47:13,15 48:12 49:13 50:9,20,24
51:7,15,20 52:13,18 61:25 62:3,5
65:18 72:1 75:20 76:13 79:6,13
Kellwood's 50:9 51:4 76:8 78:6
Kent 2:9 29:15 31:8,10 36:16 37:138:10 44:23 53:11 57:16 58:16 60:2,13
Kent•s 70:20 81:16
kick 45:9
kicks 91:16
kids 73:17 74:3 83:18 88:2 92:15
Kifer 3:10 4:12 63:9
kill 95:1,2
kills 94:25
kind 6:25 30:6 58:8 61:3 64:3 84:20 91:3 93:1,24
kinds 87:25
Kirk 31:25
kitchen 90:15
knew 54:9 74:22
know 8:13 27:21 28:4 29:17,24
30:4,7,10,15 31:4,7 32:22 33:1,14,25 35:24 36:1 37:1,15 38:12 41:6 42:13 44:7,8,10, 15,20,22 46:15,16 47:17,18,23 48:2,5,9,23 49:16,21 50:10,19,22, 23 51:15 52:6,7 53:17, 21,22 54:17, 25 55:6,20, 21,23 56:14, 21 57:17,19, 25 58:20,21, 24 60:4,7,17 61:5 62:14,20 63:21 65:11, 12,14 67:22 68:25 69:2 72:15 73:17, 25 74:3,8,20 78:25 79:3,6 80:25 81:8, 10,16,19 83:12 87:24 88:3,12,18 90:8,24
knowing 88:11
known 46:9 60:8
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Landfarm 6:15,217:17 9:13 11:4,13 18:8 20:2 21:14 22:4,11 Lane 72:18 85:11, 13
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Langenburg
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last 5:14 7:7,10 9:8 19:15 21:6 24:17 25:7 26:4 28:10 51:15 57:18 60:5, 10,11,17 94:8
later 60:20,21
laterally
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L-A-U-N-E 29:17 law 29:3 44:19 55:24 56:14 57:22 80:19
lawsuit 35:24 lawyer 60:3
laying 44:6 53:10
lead 46:2
leaking
86:23 least
32:18 leave 67:11
Lee 3 :19 72 :5 Lee's 71:25
left
72:10,13 74:25
legal 28:25 34:19, 20 35:2 41:24 42:5 43:16 51:11 79:17
legally 36:8 51:13 56:3 61:14
legislature 23:9 63:1
less 40:18 60:13, 16 72:23
Let's 38:25 48:6 61:12 87:21
letter 24:20
level 13:10,16 16:1,2,7 17:10 66 :12 67:5 70:3 71:12 85:22, 24 86:14
levels 13:7,15 15:18 16:2 18:1 22:13,14 42:25 43:12 66:16 67:3,10 72:16,23 81:21 91:22
li-79:3
liability 26:18,22
liable
26:21 library 6:8 25:10
lifetime 13:24 14:1 41:5
likely
64 :22 limitations 14:24 18:11
limited
11:4 34:14 35:17 36:9 38:8 41:22
44:12 45:25
limits 30:1,8,11 36:7
line 10:18 33:4 52:12 65:6 68:1 73:3 84:2 89:21 92:18,20
lines 4:15 10:4
liquid 9:11
listed 7:5 23:25 75:9
listened 30:15
Litigation 1:23
little 7:3 10:11 11:4 25:12 62:18 67:8 84:8
live 30:3 41:6 43:22 44:1 65:5 86:5
lived 47:2
living 15:15,19
located 87:1
location 86:23
long 29:18 55:19 65:4 66:14 82:3 83:11,12
longer 21:21,23 32:2 45:24
long-term 17:19 31:15 32:2 37:19
look 12:5,8,17 13:23 14:3 16:22 25:1
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71:9 79:13
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looking 8:1912:21 64:1 87:3,20
looks 66:22 92:21
lose 54:4,5
lost 47:24
lot 6:19,23 8:4, 14 11:6 12:21 19:16 35:25 47:10 48:2 49:1174:10
95:5 Louis 41:1
low 13:7 67:3
lower 12:9,11 72:13,14,21
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LUTHERAN 1:16 6:24 8:11 13:8 83:23
LUTKEMEYER'S 3:13 4:13
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machine 13:19
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magnanimous 61:11
magnitude 7:15 8:2 17:20 46:16
Maiden 85:13
Main 85:11,12
maintained 15:13 22:22
major 23:1
majority 7:1
making 66:1 77:17 80:8 93:10
man 50:20
manage 18:5
management 14:4
Manager 3:5 4:4 37:14
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manner 71:1
many's 30:11
map 87:3
mapped 73:2
maps 87:3,20
marked 21:10
marker 12:3,4,6 72:12
material 22:7 72:11 80:6 94:20,22
matter 42:23 82:16
maximiun 13:25 17:9 24:5
MCL 17:9,1122:24 67:4
MCLs 43:12
MDNR 3:9 4:12 7:19 24:18
MDNR'S 26:15 mean 27:13,15 34:15 36:3,23 37:6,12 40:8 42:2,13 43:11 46:25 50:5 53:24 55:12, 16 57:19,21,
24,25 59:17
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means 73:20
media 18:18
meet 17:6,14,15 18:23 49:5
meeting 4:6,17 53:17 55:12 56:15 57:1,25 58:9 95:19
meetings 56:18 57:3,8
meets 59:3
Melrose
87:17 members 5:18
mentioned 7:4 33:24 36:18 76:15 83:9
mess
40:8 79:13 metals 89:11
meter 13:14 33:3
methods
21:21 micrograms 13:14
mid 5:22
middle
8:19
Midwest 1:23 29:4
migration 8:7
mile 40:18
mill 11:8
million 14:2 53:7
millions 53:8
mind 29:15 66:8
mine 28:16
minus 14:1,3
minute 94:19
minutes 4 :17
mission 76 :16 MISSOURI
1:4,18 3:20 8:3 16:2 17:10 23:8 39:9,16,21 45:12 63:1 67:13 85:18 96:2,7
mistaken 73:11
misunderstoo
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mitigate 15:10 76:21 89:19 94:3
mixed 44:25 45:3,4
mixing 94:17
MNDR 6:16
MO 96:17
mobile 24 :12
mobility 18:17,20,24 24:7
Monday 53:2
money 34:22 35:3,7, 8 45:9 46:5,
16 47:10 50:13,17 52:18,19 83 :19
monitor 23:17 84:14 85:5 89:4,9
monitored 77:4
monitoring 8:25 9:2,7,9 20 :4,10.15. 2121:5,9 22:12,15.19 23:16,18 70:10 72:1,17 73:3 77:4,5 84:13 85:18 92:2
MONTHS 95 :24
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most 62:22 64:22 70:25 72:12, 19,24 84:2
mostly 10:7
move 65:14 68:4
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moved 10:8,17 11:18
moves 84:3 85:18 94:22,23
moving 38:23 85:5
muddy 90:8
Multiple 57:4 58:2 62:1 64:16 95:4
m\inicipal 61:18 88:25
must 15:12 18:16 23:22 24:1
myself 31:25 47:3
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name 4:4,20,21 5:17 25:24 26:1,4 39:14
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51:15 63:9 93:8 94:8
name' s 65:2
National
23:21 nature 10:19 73:19
NCP 19:23
near 10:7 15:15, 19,24
nearby 19:5 22:12 65:24
necessarily 50:5 81:5
necessary 18:5
need 4:24 25:24
29:9 40:23 41:10 42:19 45:7,12,13 50:7 57:1 60:3 62:19 64:19,23 66:1,15 68:21 94:25 95:3
needed 22:11
needs 23:4 34:8 39:25 65:22
negotiate 53:21
negotiations 53:25
neighbor 73:17
neighbor's
66:25
never 32:4 58:10 60:17
NEW
1:4,18 5:13, 15 25:22,23 26:8,19 32:11,25 40:18 47:2 48:23 52:12 64 :17,21 77 :14 78 :18 79:16 84 :24 86:22 92:14
night 33:15
nine 16:17,20 24:16 39:23
40:9
no-action 17:17
nobody 15:19 59:6 60:10 61:1,2 62:10 74:20
nobody•s
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n o n -
carcinogenic 13:21 14:5
nonoccurrenc
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n o n -
residential 16:3
north 6:13,20 10:3
12:20 21:16 86:21,22
87:16
northwest 11:7,12
NOTES 95:23 nothing 19:23 28:8 38:5 58:5 72:16 79:5 91:5
notice 92:8 93:25
NOTIFIED 95:22
November
6:3 nowhere
71:7
NPL 7:5
NPLS 89:10
number 8:22 14:7
numbers
17:11,12 0
0 4:1
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objectives 22:13
obligated 28:1
Obligation 36:6 41:24 43:16 78:1
obligations
42:5
obviously 65:12
occasions 49:23
occupied 61:4
occur 10:24 19:4 39:6 73:23,24 91:22
occurred 9:16 25:14 71:18 89:18
occurrences 72:2
occurring 92:4
occurs 19:23
October 6:4,5 25:7 81:9
offense 46:24
Offer 67:6 93:2
OFFICE 3:13 4:13 25:10
officer
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ones 19:1562:5,7 66:968:18 83:17 88:8
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opened 6:159:15
OPERABLE 1:3 6:12,22 7:10 11:15 19:1154:25
57:7,10 59:22,23 85:4
Operative 6:12
opinion 44:7 54:7
opportunitie
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opportunity 34:2142:7 55:22 62:25
opposed 21:7 54:10
78:3 optimal 56:2
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ordered 52:18,19
original 66:10
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outcrops 9:21 74:14
outline 6:22 54:16
outlined 17:3
outlining 5:6
outside 11:12 30:1,3, 8 35:11 36:7 40:15
over 6:7 7:22 8:23 10:6 11:7 23:4,18 31:12
41:2 42:19 52:8 53:7 56:6 57:18 75:17 88:3
91:24
overall 16:21 overburden 12:2 72:10,25 86:16
overland 74:11
owe
75:21
owner 26:18
owners 40:5
owns 65:11
OX
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oxidation 20:2,8,23 21:2,7 22:3, 7,10 94:10,13
oxidizsJsle 94:20
oxygen 92:22
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p.m 95:20
packaged 16 :16
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paid
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49:23,25 50:3,6,9,10 52:10,14
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panel
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panels
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paper
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parcels 63:16
PARSON 3:17
Parsons
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part 7:22 8:16 9:18 12:8 16:20 37:20 62:21 65:23 69:6 79:23
82 : 9 85:4
participatin
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particularly 58:21
parties 32:2 45:16 75:17 95:22
party 45:6 46:4
pass 47 :5
passed 23:9
path 11:23
paths 11:22
pathway 73:23
Patricia 2:12 84:19 88:20
Patsy 1:22 96:6,16
pay 28:2,18,22 45:2146:4 49:2,13,14, 17 50:10 76:11,12
paying 30:2 33:4
pays 30:8
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23:4 71:17 72:7,18 73:7, 19,23 74:13 76:19 84:3,13 88:8 94:15, 20,21,22
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people 5:13 12:2 27:22 29:10 30:9 40:5 41:2142:2 43:24 47:19 53:4,12 56:1,
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25 57:7 64:19
72 :2 75:4 76:6,11 80:6
percent 30:2 48:7
perform 43:18
period 4:20 6:2,6
19:18 23:24 59:16 80:24 81:9 89:18
Periodic 42:13
periodically 22:1147:20
permanence 17:20
permanent 24:4 32:8,24
38:3,6,8,10 permanently
18:19 permanganate
94 :14 person 26:20 48:2 56:13 77:10
personal 44:7
Personally 92:17
persons 57:4 58:2 62:1
perspective 46:18
pertinent 54:10
peruse 6:11
pesticides 89:11
phase 9:11 11:17 84:10,12
phone
37:11 pick
45:1
picking 53:5
picks
74 :13 Pierce 2:13 94:7,8 95:15
P-I-E-R-C-E 94:8 pin
77:10
pipe 12:22,25 40:15 52:13 71:6
pipes 92:10
place 7:710:12 14:23 15:9 22:6,25 37:24 38:3 41:19 42:23 43:2 52:21 55:10
66:16 77:8 85:1 92:8 96:10
placed 80 :12
placing 82:24
plaintiff's 35:25
plan 4:7 5:24 6:7, 9 7:18 18:22 23:22,24 25:1131:14, 21 32:7 33:18,21,22
34:9 37:21 38:6 45:21 53:13 54:19,
21,23 55:3,4, 5,9,10 56:15 57:11 58:9 59:8,22 60:1 68:24 69:6 80:17,18
planning 68:24
plans 32:15
play 73:17 74:3
please 25:17,25 40:25 51:24
plot 6:19 18:12
plug 77:12
plumbing
90:1,2 plume 66:20 67:1, 11,15,19 81:15 82:18 83:6
pliimes 81:19
plus 25:14
pocket 35:2
point 5:7 21:20,22 22:17 58:19 60:13 62:4 63:14 69:17 81:22 83:9 86:13 88:18
poked 71:23 77:1
Polihan 52:24
poll 56:12
Poplawski 3:18 51:14, 19,24 52:6 69:1,4,8
P-O-P-L-A-W-
S-K-I 51:16
portion 9:15 11:12
posed 46:11
position 67:6
positive 42:19
possibility 22:17 39:10 55:7 81:25
possible 11:23 13:19 48:10 55:15 82:15
posted 56:20,21
potassium 94:14
potential 14:11 18:13
94:3
power 19:10
powerful 90:23
practicable
21:23 24:6
precipitatio
n
74:11
predecessor 52:24
prefer 37:24
preference 24:6
preferred 4:8 5:11 6:1 18:22 19:1,17
21:11 53:6
present 4:6 15:2 72:18
PRESENTATION 2:4 4:23 5:5 73:6 83:9
presented 7:6
pressure 73:20 92:8 93:25 95:6
Pretty 33 :6
prevail 35:23
previous 6:23
previously 96:10
price 34:5 91:5
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primarily 15:11
primary 21:24 89:9
principal 24:7,8,10, 11,13
printed 39:22
prior 15:7,8 28:7 32:19,25 37:15 54:21, 22 55:2,4 58:9 60:10
priority 46:9 probably 11:5 34:19 40:1 44 :8 46:23 55:16,
17 56:2 60:9 62:22 63:15 70:25 74:24, 25 83:11,16 90:6 91:4
problem 15:20 30:13 32:6 47:8 57:2 65:7 67:15 70:7
procedures 39:23 PROCEEDING 95:23
PROCEEDINGS 2:2 95:20
process 5:6,21 24:23 33:7 39:7 55:23 57:1
65:15 66:20
67:18,23 68:3
81:17
product 15:3
professional
38:14,15 96:6
Program 3:5
project 4:4 37:14
38:15,22 40:2
promised 60:13
promulgated 76:16
promulgating 63:11
properly 55:20 66:24
property 32:15,17 40:5 47:6 52:3 62:15 70:18 83:20
proposal 51:21 53:24
proposed 4:7 5:24,25 6:7,9 23:24 25:11 30:20 31:14,21 32:7,14,15 33:18,21,22 34:9 37:21 38:6 46:8 53:5,13 54:19,21,23 55 - 3 4 5 8 9 56:15 58:9 59:8,22 60:1 68:20,24
protect
34:24 36:4 1
76:17
protecting 59:10
PROTECTION
1:1 3:3 16:21,24 66:1
protective
24:159:3 67:5
provide 16:1423:2 24:2,825:2 32:835:11 36:7 39:10 41:2542:8 44:1756:17 58:20 77:19 78:23 79:2,5
provided
19:2122:22 43:13 58:23 61:15 provides 25:13 74:16
providing 25:134:12
47:16
proving 88:8
PS
72:22
PUBLIC 1:10 2:5 3:7 5:23 6:1 18:13 19:18 23:24 25:4 31:1132:23 38:1739:22
54:18,19,21 55:21 56:5,7, 14 57:25 58:9 59:16 60:12,
13,16 61:3,6, 14 64:24 75:7 77:12,24 78:10 79:23 80:2,3,12 81:8 88:14 95:19,24 96:8
published 25:8
pull 37:3 82:1 83:6
pump 50:8 87:12 91:16
pumpage 71:11
pumping 19:13
pure 9:12 15:3 84:12
purpose 4:5 30:19 55:11 58:17
purposes 66:18 82:21
push 33:8
pushed 38:16
put 5:5 9:7 10:12 11:11 13:18 14:23 15:9 16:1122:6 25:5 27:2,11 33:2 34:6,17 38:3 43:15 47:6 48:14,19 49:1,8 50:2 52:12,21 53:15 59:21
60:22 61:21 62:4,8 63:12 67:14 75:9 77:8,12 81:12 84:2 85:1 90:15 91:4 92:7 95:6,7
putting 2 7 : 9 , 2 2 3 0 : 2 3 3 3 : 3 5 2 : 1 1 75 :16 82 :24 93 :10 9 4 : 1 7
q u a l i t y 17 :10
q u a r t e r l y 92 :2
q u e s t i o n 4 : 1 9 2 4 : 1 7 2 7 : 2 3 7 : 1 3 4 7 : 1 , 2 3 5 4 : 1 4 , 1 5 , 2 0 6 4 : 2 8 2 : 3 , 9 9 4 : 9
q u e s t i o n s 4 : 2 3 5 : 2 , 3 2 5 : 2 1 8 4 : 2 0 95 :16
q u i c k 7 4 : 8 , 1 8
q u i c k l y 7 3 : 2 1 7 4 : 9
q u i t e 94 :10
1:22 3 : 1 4 : 1 96 :16 r a i n 7 4 : 1 0 8 6 : 1 5
r a i s e d 30 :2
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ran 12:21 13:15
range 13:23 14:3 15:15
ranges 14:11,16 15:1,6
ranging
11:14 rank 46:12
RAOs 22:13
rate 29:25 30:2,3 75:10
reached 22:13
read 6:6 61:1 80:6
reading 39:24
Real 40:14 90:2
realize 53 :11 really 39:25 44:9 47:22,23 55:12 74:17, 21 83:12 90:17 91:2 93:22
reason 6:15 10:18 60:10 66:8 67:25 68:9
reasonable 13:25 91:5
reasonably
68:10
reasons 22:25 45:23 63:16 65:12, 20
recalcitrant 45:5,16 received
25:4 58:5 80:20
receiving 59:24
recommend 66:19
recommendati
on 65:19 66:13 68:7
recommended 24:21,22 reconsider 63:24
record 6:7 25:6,8,9 53:17 58:18 77:20,23 80:13,22
81:2,13
recorded 34:3 recourse 28:24 29:1 34:18,19
35:2,8,21
recover 34:2145:6, 13,16
recovered 18:9
recovery 20:1,7 21:13, 15,18,19,21
22:1,2 24:5 83:10
reduce 18:13,19,24 22:16
reduced 16:25 reduces
24:7
reduction 18:16 20:25 21:7
reeled 73:5
refer 12:2
referred 11:20
referring 6:14,19,20 7:2 78:11 o r "i 85 :3 regard 47:14 78:10
regarding 24:19 38:8 51:22 79:2
regardless 49:9
regional 25:10
regs 76:16
regularly 93:13,17
regulated 88:9
Regulations 16:18 26:16 27:9 34:17 49:6 63:10,12
68:18 69:14, 19
regulatory 39:19
reimburse
47:11
reimbursemen
t 30:4
related 5:2 6:10
relative 59:20
relatively 44:14
relevant 17:5
reliability 18:4
remain 12:13 remaining 17:21,22 22:9
Remedial 3:5 4:4 5:8
6:8,16 7:7,9, 12 8:24 10:6, 25 13:18 16:10 17:22 22:14 23:5,22 24:1 77:6,7 95:8
remediating 67:2
remediation 20:9 84:1
remedies 81:18
remedy 7:5,6,8,9,11 14:917:24
18:2 19:4,8 31:5 32:19
37:18,19,24 46:17 53:5 59:20 80:23 81:11 82:9 85:1,4
remedying 79:13 Remember 11:11 14:12 52:22
removal 6 :17
remove 67:7
renders 32:11,12
repeated 22:11
repeatedly 32:5
replinished 45:24
report 8:15 23:25 89:15
Reported 1:21
REPORTER 2:15 4:17 25:24 26:1,3, 6 39:14 79:25 96:1,7 reporting
89:18
represent 28 :24 35:5 51:15
REPRESENTATI
VE 3:13 4:12,13
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39:8 51:20
require 19:10 92:2
required 19:23 23:13, 21 27:22
44:19 51:12, 13 55:23 56:4,14 57:22
59:4 79:4 80:19 89:3,12
requirement 18:24
requirements 17:5 23:14,21
26:15 79:19
requiring 52:15,16
research 39:19
reside 7:1
residences 22:23 23:3
resident 14:14
residential 8:21,23 9:2 12:14 14:21, 22 16:1,3,7,8 23:19 64:10 70:5,9,10,14
Residents 2:6 7:1 14:11 15:6,15 19:5 31:19 85:19
residual 17:21,22 22:3
residuals
18:6
resource 24:5
respond 43:1 77:22
responded
58:5 59:25 80:13
response 54:1,2
responses 58:4 84:17
responsibili
ty 79:4 80:22
responsible 45:16
Responsivene
ss 25:5,19 59:21 60:1 77:23 80:13 81:4
restrictions 23:7
results 7:22 15:23 89:14
return 21 -22 22 :18 83 :10
revenue
45:25 reverse 81:17
reversing 66:20 67:18
review 7:19 25:1,3
reviewed 7:19 53:4
reviewing 24:18
Revised
39:21
revolve 76:23
RI 10:1 12:17 24:19 53:4
rid 76:2179:14 88:19
rider
39:16 ^ J -_ __ -
Riese 8 :11 right 5:3 9:1 27:10 29:8,10 30:13 38:4,23 40:15,16 47:12,14 48:3 50:6 52:3 56:23 60:14, 15 64:15,25 70:8,16 71:5, 21 72:8,11,14 73:9 74:2,4, 25 75:17 82:7,20 83:25
84:5,7 88:17, 24 89:5 92:16 93:18,19
risk 13:5,6,16, 18,20,23,24 14:1,4,7,8, 10,12,15,25 15:5,9,10, 11,14,21 16:11 17:21 18:14 19:5 37:25 42:25 46:7 67:15 73:16,22,23 74:15,16 83:1785:19
94:16 95:4
risk-based 13:15
risks 13:1914:5,13 16:25 25:14
46:11 76:21 94:3
River 67:13 85:19
RIVERFRONT 1:2 4:5 5:22 7:11
Road 6:24 8:11,18, 19 11:6,9 13:8 48:9 63:15 65:13 67:8 78:8 83:23
Rob 3:16 4:11
rock 86:16
ROD
7:8 8:16 23 :23 24:9 80:14 81:3, 5
Rolla
69:22 rolled 13:5
Roubidoux 12:10
route 76:5
rule 63:12,16
rules 4:16 64:12 65:16 76:16
run
14:13,21 15:22 19:11 25:7 31:1 60:20 74:15
running 81:16,19
runs 25:6 91:9,12
RURAL 3:20 36:11,19 39:2,10,16 44:18 45:20 58:22 71:15
77:25 78:14, 15,16,22
S
S 3:14:1
safe 71:1189:4,13
safety 77 :16
SEunple 10:11,13 13:10 47:19
seunpled
8:23 12:17 72:8 samples 9:23,24 13:11,12 15:24
sampling 8:17,18,19, 21 9:1,2 10:2,10,15 11:2,3 12:18, 20,24 70:9 72:15 89:22
samplings 8:22 18:1
sand
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72:12 92:9
sandstone 12:3,4,7
sanitary 12:16
Santy 50:21
Sarno 38:19
satisfies 24:6 56:1
satisfy 24:12
saying 18:2 31:2,13 35:16 45:18 48:22 49:4,7, 12 50:4 52:24 59:7,12 71:8, 12 76:2 81:24
says 32:162:18
scarry 87 :11
scenario 14 :13,14,21 15:21 16:6,7 27 :4
schedule 89 :6
scheduled 92:2
school 10:11,12,15, 16 15:24 52:11 60:14
Schumacher 3:12 4:11 31:25 69:14
scientists 46:10
screen 61:3
screened 16:23 17:3,13
screening 8:9,12 13:9, 10 16:1,2,9 39:6
screw 61:24
screwed 61:25 62:6,7
screwing 79:15
seal 96:13
sealed 66:24
seaps 86:8
search 34:4
Secondly 83:19
section 42:24
sediment 9:19,23 12:19 13:11 90:14 91:1 92:7,9 94:2
sediments 13:2
see 7:14 9:5,24 10:7 16:23 33:22 36:13 44:7 51:17,20 58:23 67:24 70:14 76:7,11 78:17 87:21, 25 92:17 93:1
seeing 86:16
seen 48:12 49:13 50:3 56:6
82:5 selected 7:5 9:25 19:1
selecting 32:19 37:21
80:23
s e 1 f -
explanatory 8:22
sell 34:2,6 47:4, 5,7 62:12
send 25:17 37:4 42:15
sending 57:17 60:6
sense 46:18 95:4
sent 80:11
separate 7:13
serve 64:19
Services 1:23
session 56:15 set 4:16 7:17 16:9 55:9 69:24 79:18 80:18 96:12
setting 28:6 33:4
settlements 45:4
settles 92:23
seven 8:8 29:19
Sewer 10:2,4 12:16, 18,19
sewers 10:9 12:20
shallow 66:12 86:14
share 45:6,13,17 83:19
shelf 90:21
Shifts 40:19
shortly 40:21
short-term 19:3 37:18
show 71:2 72:5,7
95:5 showed 10:25
showing
4:7 8:13 73:2 sHnwn 0 XA\^ *V AX
6 :23 12:25 43:11 73:3 shows 42:18 72:9
Shut 77:13
sick 76:6
Side 29:10,11 71:6 72:17
significant 92:8
significant!
y 18:19
similar 16:6
simultaneous
ly 51:10 57:5 58:3 62:2
single 8:15 64:8,12
Singletary 3:4 5:16
sink 90:19
sit 16:25 39:7 95:12
SITE 1:2 4:5 5:7, 16 6:18 7:3
17:7 18:20 19:24 26:23 44:25 45:1 69:16,20 84:11
Sites 9:1 45:11,12 46:7,12 72:24 Sitting 29:1083:5
situ 20:2,8,9,23 21:2,7 22:2
situation 4:8 17:16
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18:7 46:21
77:12 93:13, 21 95:13
situations 52:17
Six 29:22 60:11
73:13,15 size 18:18 slew 89:10
Slottic 33:1
slowly 12:14 76:5 94:23
small 92:22
smaller 25:13
smoke 61:3
so-called 45:4 46:1
sodiiim 94:14
soil 7:13,14,15, 21 8:17 10:10,15 11:2 12:20,23 13:12 14:18 15:23 16:15 18:10,18
20:19 soils 6:18 8:19 11:1,912:17,
21 14:17
sold
47:3,4 48:1
solution 31:15 32:6 36:23,25 37:9 38:3,6,9,11 55:13,16 56:2
solutions 24:4
solved 30:12
solvents 88:8
somebody 36:1140:20, 24 41:23 42:8,15 43:22
45:7,8 48:23 63:4 65:17 90:16 91:7,18
somebody's 71:22
somewhere 43:6
soon 24:20 65:5,14
sooner 60:20,21
sorry 27:1 36:16 47:25 48:16
50:14 72:6 81:13
sort 61:7
Sounds 43:20
source 85:16
south 6:24 9:22 10:3 32:10 84:6,8 87:15
southern
70:4
southward 84:3,9
speak 27:25 28:5 35:4,6 39:9 44:21 50:24
71:20 speaking 51:9 57:4 58:2 62:1 special
23:8,15 26:9, 14 35:21 63:1
specific 51:21 59:22, 23
specs 69:24
speculate 28:13,15
spell
4:2126:3 51:16
spend 46:16 47:9 50:16 52:18, 19 54:10 90:23
spending 50:5
spent 52:18 53:8 54:9
spill
50:13 spreading 66:4
spring 74:7
spring-fed 74:1
SS 96:3
St 41:1
Stab 78:5
Staff 24:21 65:18 69:22
Stage 5:25
stand 4:20 25:25 29:4,13 51:3 63:25 69:15, 19
Standard 17:1148:7
Standards 66:2
Standing 50:20 60:15
Stands 31:8 Start
41:2 78:3
Started
4:10 25:7 29:25 60:5 66:23 Starting 65 - 15 \ J . J m ^ ^
State 4:20 17:6 19:16 25:25 27:9 33:23 34:16 39:14 49:6 80:20,21 96:2,7
stated 32:1,22
Statement 71:19 74:20
STATES 1:1 32:7
Stating 36:24
Statute 79:18
Statutes 39:21
Step 16:12 18:10 23:23 39:23
Steps 40 : 9
Steve 3:18 51:14 58-7 76-2
Stick 4 :24 57 :10
Stop 23:5 37:23
Stopped 53 :24
Stover 2:12 84:19 85:2,7,10,
12,15,21 86:1,4,12, 19,24 87:2,6, 8,11,15,17, 21 88:10,16, 23 89:1,5,7, 16,24 90:3,6, 10,12,18,22
91:6,13,18, 25 92:5,12, 19,23 93:3,6, 14 94:4
stream
86 :17
Streams
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13:3
Street 7:6
Strobel 2:7 25:22
26:2,5,7,11, 17 27:3,10,
13,19 28:6, 14,22 29:2,8,
19,22 30:25
31:4,7 33:10 34:22 35:1,6,
12,14 38:18, 23 39:4 40:6,
12 41:5,10,15
42:9,12,18
43:20 44:2,5 50:8,12,16, 19 51:1,3,6, 9,18,23 52:5 54:2 57:2,9
61: 8,16,20, 24 62:5,17,22 63:4,17,21 64:4,6,10, 14,17,20,25 70:13,17
71:14,21
75:3,7,13, 19,21,25 76:25 77:9,20 78:2,12,16 79:9,12,20
87:18
S-T-R-O-B-E-
L 26:5
STROBLE
60:9
Structure 11:21
Stuck
67:12
studies
31:20
Study
5:10 6:9 8:12 16:12,13 19:21 54:18
55:1 56:7 58:22 59:8,10
Stuff 67:12
Stupid
84:20
Sturgis
31:25
Subdivision
73:8
submit 31:11 58:17, 18 80:3
submitted
7:18 8:15
subsequent 4:23
substantive 59:20
subsurface 8:7 9:12 11:21,25 22:7
sub-tasks
8:8 successful
18:3
sudden
61:4,11 65:8
sue 45:6
suggesting
80:6
suggestions
54:13
Summary
25:5,20 59:21
60:1 80:14
81:4
Sun 27:5
SUPERFUND
1:2 5:6,20 45:1,2,22,24 46:1,2,5,8
79:18
supplied 89:14
supply
20:6,16 32:9,
10,24 39:23 64:24 75:16
supported 23:24
supports
69:13
supposed 9:15 89:8
sure 5:18 10:16 17:14 33:20
34 :5 56:10,11 58 :13 64 :12 67 :7 77:6,13 86:23 92:3
surely 42:14 70:21
76:5
surface 9:19,23 11:14
13:1,2 82:22
survey 75:3,10
surveyed
9:8
surveying
9:8
Susan
31:24
SVI-5 13:14
Swan 12:7 72:13
synopsis 25:13
system 9 :16 19 : 9
28 :7 29:10,11 37:18 40:24
41:1144:9 45:19 48:15
49:2 60:19,25 66:6 67:7 75:16,24
81:17,20,23, 25 82:12,17 83:16 87:10, 22,24 91:5.9. 17
systems
18:4 23:3 53:2 66:16 88:6,7
T
table 59:7
take
4:17 27:3 29:3 33:10
34:5 40:8,24 42:19 63:4 67:24 76:5
81:12
taken
9:23,24 18:10 33:17 63:8
67:16 96:8
takes 27:14,15 68:4
taking
5:17
talk 4:6 5:9 30:19
31:8 36:10,13
38:25 39:2
53:18 60:18
72:2 79:6 81:6 92:17 93:1
talked
52:11 55:8 58:21 59:5
72:22 79:7 81:21
talking 26:12 33:2 36:18 57:17, 19 59:18 64:2,3,5,8 73:6,14,15
77:16 78:14
80:3 81:15 82:23 88:1,21
talks 25:14
tap 15:7
target 14:11,13,16 15:1,6,14,17 16:2
task 7:13,22,24 9:10,19
tasks 7:13
taste 92:7
tax 45:25
taxpayer
45:13
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taxpayer•s 46:18
TCE 10:23 11:3,19 94:20
tea 88:2
teacher
16 :5
teeun
5:18
tear
83:7 90:12
technical 60:4
technologies 16:14,16 24:5
technology
24 :4
tell
27:5,25 28:9, 15,16 29:13 51:5,8,11 61:9,20,23 62:3,7 68:18
69:4
telling
29:5,9 35:7
37:13 40:9
78:4
tells 89:17
temporary 31:20 32:6
36:23,25 37:9
ten 29:20
terms 46:1 61:17
test 9:3 42:17
68:19,22
89:11
tested
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